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Title: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 25, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
Hello everyone.

I am new to the world (planet?) of airguns.

I have just purchased am awaiting delivery of my first rifle. It's a Walther RS Maxus .22. It's a gun that's been slightly customised by some guys at a place called Ronnie Sunshines.

As I am completely new to airguns I thought I would share my experiences in a post which I will update on an occasional basis (my next post will be the "un-boxing" of my rifle after I've picked it up from my local dealer).

If anyone finds any of this interesting or useful that's good. If you find it tedious or offensive feel free to stop reading and move on.

Laters!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 25, 2016, 02:10:49 PM
I'll look forward to your findings Mr Blerk. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Barry in IN on September 25, 2016, 07:19:06 PM
I don't recognize that model.  Maybe it isn't sold here in the US.   In that case, you HAVE to report on it. 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 25, 2016, 07:29:44 PM
'' If you find it tedious or offensive feel free to stop reading and move on.''   ;D.

 I'm sure we will all be following your travails in the world of shooting with great interest Mr Blerk. :)
 For anyone that isn't aware of the Maxus,it's A carbined Terrus with  4'' off the barrel and a  reflex silencer added.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Barry in IN on September 26, 2016, 01:24:52 AM
Ahhh!  OK then. Got it, thanks.  I am curious to hear about that.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 26, 2016, 09:06:10 AM
@Barry - You hint at a good question - "What is the RS Maxus"?

As it's not a common gun I'll make this post, my first in the series, one about the gun itself.

There's a gun dealer here in the UK called Ronnie Sunshines. They're based in the South of the country. They occasionally take "stock" guns and modify/customise them.

Now, I've heard good reviews of the Walther brand. And I've heard good things about the Terrus model. While researching the Terrus I came across Ronnie's RS Maxus version.

They've taken 4 inches off the length of the barrel and added a mod (silencer). This keeps the length and weight down and it is claimed that the mod itself makes cocking the gun easier and its weight reduces the upward motion caused by recoil.

They've also "re-crowned" the barrel. I have no idea what that means so I'll have to look into it more.

They've stuck a scope on it too. A Hawke Vantage+ 2-9x50 AO IR. I looked into this device and, again, I was hearing good things about it. Value for money and whatnot. I liked the idea that the scope I was getting in my combo/kit was a little more considered than the generic/manufacturer bundled scopes I was coming across with other guns.

I've elected to go for the manly .22 version. Because I'm a man.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 26, 2016, 10:35:13 AM
Have you got any friends who shoot and can give you basic tips on springers  or are you a lone wolf? :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 26, 2016, 11:24:39 AM
I'm a lone wolf.

Even if I had friends who could give me tips I'd still like to called a lone wolf.

I have shot shotguns in the past so I can work out which end of an air rifle is the dangerous end.

And I've won a few packs of playing cards at fairgrounds in my time.

Outside of fairgrounds I have fired a total of two (yes, TWO) shots using a PCP airgun belonging to a bloke who was at my nearest range and was generous enough to let me have a go.

The folks at the range (http://www.doncaster-airgun-range.co.uk/) are pretty friendly and I think it might take at least an hour before they lose their patience with me so I'm hoping to pick up a few tips from them.

And the population of this planet has been very good so far too.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on September 26, 2016, 12:22:47 PM

The folks at the range (http://www.doncaster-airgun-range.co.uk/) are pretty friendly and I think it might take at least an hour before they lose their patience with me so I'm hoping to pick up a few tips from them.

And the population of this planet has been very good so far too.
I whish you would have said something about going to the doncaster airgun range, I would have taken my AA s200, falcon prairie, fn8 pistol, sig sauer p226 pistol, FWB c10 target pistol, S&W co2 pistol and my eb 177 pistol for you to have a go with.



It help if you put where you are, if your close enough we will do are best to get to you to help
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 26, 2016, 01:28:55 PM
Disaster!

I've just had a call from Ronnie's to tell me that, despite what it said in their website, they're out of stock of the RS Maxus.

Down the snake, back to square 1.

Grrrrrrrrrrr......................
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on September 26, 2016, 01:49:36 PM
Disaster!

I've just had a call from Ronnie's to tell me that, despite what it said in their website, they're out of stock of the RS Maxus.

Down the snake, back to square 1.

Grrrrrrrrrrr......................
Give Andy at shooters world in mexborough a ring, more often than not he can get things in
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 26, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
Could be a blessing Mr Blerk, had you got something of Ronnie and  in the unlikely event there being issues down the line,it's all phoning up , nothing face to face. Where as if you shop local,people get to know you and you'll find everyone in the shop, customers and staff alike will always chip in with there twopenneth should advice be needed.

 Mexborough gun shop ,on the few occasions I've been there, has always given me positive vibes.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on September 27, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
What about a Walther Century?

About £260 or so scope included which is pretty good optic wise or the GT if you want a synthetic stock.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2016, 06:59:47 PM
Well! The deed is done.

I called in at my local shop on the way home from work and walked away with a rifle.

I was incredibly detailed in my demands : "I'd like a decent rifle with a decent silencer, decent scope and a bag for under 300 quid, please. Oh, and make it a .22 because I'm manly."

So off goes chappy, takes five minutes to select a gun, a couple of minutes to select a mod and five minutes to select a scope. Five more minutes and the scope and mod are fitted.

Sitting on the rack before me was a Walther Terrus .22, with Uramex backdraft mod and a BSA MD 3-9x50 WR Essencial scope and a bag.

"That looks nice," I said.

"That's £295 to you," says chappy.

"Throw in a tin of pellets and you've got a deal," says I. I'd already clocked that the Terrus had a £245 ticket on it so I was reasonably confident I was getting a deal.

"That's with the pellets included already," says chappy.

"Alright then. Let's 'try before I buy' and you might have a deal."

You see, at this point, thanks to the planeteers that have guided me over the past week or so, I knew that Walther was a decent make and that the Terrus was a decent model.

So chappy takes me to their test range, dials the scope in for me and hands me the gun.

No word of a lie, I hit a 30mm target at 25 yards with my first shot. And I think I got about 8 or 9 out of the dozen I fired. Chappy even gave me a few tips and pointers. Much appreciated.

What a lovely gun! Recoil but not too much. Substantial but not too heavy. The scope is nice and clear (although I have to get used to using it as I've been brought up on shotguns). And the silencer does what it says on the tin.

And speaking of tins, I got 500 RWS Superdome Field Line pellets.

I THINK I've got a good deal.

I DEFINITELY got good service. I think...............

I can't wait for Friday when I'll get to the range to really try it out.

If I knew how to do it I'd upload some pics.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Barry in IN on September 27, 2016, 08:02:16 PM
Congrats!  I keep reading and hearing the Terrus is a nice rifle.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
Congrats!  I keep reading and hearing the Terrus is a nice rifle.

I liked it.  It definitely meets my requirements.

And I liked that the guy took a bit of time to choose the mod and scope. Like he wasn't just passing me off with the cheap rubbish. I think his name is Adam.

He said the discount I got was about  £80 or  £90.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 27, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
     
Everything you need for a decent price :). Rws superdomes are great pellets and not too expensive.  Which shop did you use?
 
I guess it's just a waiting game now  whilst you get to the range.

Happy shooting. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
I went to  South Yorkshire Airguns  (http://www.southyorkshireairguns.co.uk).

Quite local so I can call back easily if I have issues (beyond the mental ones).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on September 27, 2016, 08:35:05 PM
Did you get the synthetic stock?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2016, 09:03:23 PM
I did.

I thought it might be more 'durable'.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on September 27, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Not only that,it does handle better than the wood version ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Not only that,it does handle better than the wood version ;)

Do you know a lot about handling wood?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on September 27, 2016, 09:20:46 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on September 27, 2016, 09:21:04 PM
I went to  South Yorkshire Airguns  (http://www.southyorkshireairguns.co.uk).

Quite local so I can call back easily if I have issues (beyond the mental ones).
For bags, pellets and co2 try http://nmproducts.co.uk/
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 27, 2016, 10:28:25 PM
  ''Do you know a lot about handling wood?''    ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 28, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
I've elected to go for the manly .22 version. Because I'm a man.

Well done Sir..........  .22 applaud points awarded for following your common sense, and masculinity! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 28, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
So then Blerk, have you had a shoot of it yet?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 28, 2016, 11:06:43 PM
Nope (apart from a few test shots at the shop (did I mention that I nailed my very first shot?)).

First chance I'll get will be Friday evening.

(How do I upload pics? I'll post my first target. )
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 28, 2016, 11:11:04 PM
If you're on something like photobucket,just paste the link then the image is visible on here.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 29, 2016, 08:04:58 AM
Ah! Thanks for clarifying.

I need to link to the images stored elsewhere. I was looking for an "Upload" button.

I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 09:40:29 AM
Okey doke!

If this has worked there should be a few pics of my equipment (snigger) in this post.

And if it HAS worked, I'll post pics of my first targets which I hope to be shredding this evening!

(http://bbsltd.comxa.com/20160927_174343.jpg)

(http://bbsltd.comxa.com/20160927_174407.jpg)

(http://bbsltd.comxa.com/20160927_174618.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 30, 2016, 12:32:20 PM
   So you're up and running :).

       It's looking good.
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Barry in IN on September 30, 2016, 12:41:26 PM
I'm in envy of your equipment.
No, not that, the moderator.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 30, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
Errrrr, I can't see any pics!! :(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Errrrr, I can't see any pics!! :(

Really? None at all?

Not even the one of the rubber duck or the one of Angelina Jolie riding bareback?

That's going to make my next post pretty poor because I've just got back from the range with my first set of targets.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 30, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
 No rush Blerk,have a cup of tea and a biscuit first. :)

 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 09:15:44 PM
So, I went to the range this evening.

There were a few people in there but it wasn't too busy so I paid the VERY reasonable "£10 for as long as you like" fee, 50p for a handful of targets and 50p for a cup of coffee.

I started on the first pair of targets (all of these are at about 25/>30 yards) Here they are:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203104%20(Small).jpg)

Note the bottom-right tendancy?

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203118%20(Small).jpg)

A little less bottom-right,  but not great.........

So I plinked a few tin cans and spinners and had a go at a couple more targets:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203149%20(Small).jpg)

Notice the THREE holes in this target? I have no idea where the other pellets went.........

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203208%20(Small).jpg)

.........but wherever they went, they probably ended up in the same place as the two missing from this target!

So I plinked a few more cans, worried some little, metal ducks, did the business on some spinners and popped a few flags.

Here come the last pair of targets.

Brace yourselves!

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203232%20(Small).jpg)

Apart from the top-left shot that just caught the paper the "layout" is the right shape.

And finally ....................

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20160930_203244%20(Small).jpg)

Now I know I'm no expert (clearly), but I'm pretty proud of that last one. I'll not win any competitions with it but after an hour or so I felt like I was getting somewhere.

I should point out that I used special targets approximately 4 square metres in size.

Nah, only kidding about that. The targets are about 15-20 centimtres each side. (Is that a standard?)

Can't wait next week!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 30, 2016, 09:24:57 PM
Errrrr, I can't see any pics!! :(

Really? None at all?

Nope, none in reply #30, if that's where they're meant to be?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 09:29:04 PM
Errrrr, I can't see any pics!! :(

Really? None at all?

Nope, none in reply #30, if that's where they're meant to be?

Yep, #30 for the first lot.

What about the target pics?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 30, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
I can see the target pics ok.


 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on September 30, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
Very glad you enjoyed your range time :).

From what position did you take the shots,stood up but  resting on elbows/bench,stood up resting on bags,stood up offhand,seated etc- do you see what I'm getting at?

 We'll name the targets1-6 top to bottom. Discuss. ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on September 30, 2016, 09:51:13 PM
https://youtu.be/xSr5YXhDuS8 have a genders at this  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 09:58:03 PM
I know what it'll be. For the target pics I included  "www." but I didn't for my others.

If I could edit the post I would.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on September 30, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
I can see them all mate  ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
I can see them all mate  ;)

That one of Angelina is a bit special, eh?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 10:35:07 PM
Very glad you enjoyed your range time :).

From what position did you take the shots,stood up but  resting on elbows/bench,stood up resting on bags,stood up offhand,seated etc- do you see what I'm getting at?

 We'll name the targets1-6 top to bottom. Discuss. ;D

Seated with my hand between the rifle and the beanbag seemed most accurate and most comfortable.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 30, 2016, 10:38:05 PM
https://youtu.be/xSr5YXhDuS8 have a genders at this  ;D

Thanks.

I'm just about to go out so I'll check it out later, when I have half an hour to spare.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 01, 2016, 10:05:32 AM
I can see them ok.

Try your zero closer in at say 15 yards first to get the groups tighter & the feel of the gun.

I think the Superdomes in mine were a bit tight in the breach & ended up using some old H&N FTT that i had.

To check the pellet fit put one in as normal & close the barrel,then re open it while being careful not to pull the trigger.De -cock the rifle so you can safely look at the breach & see the pellet skirt.
Mine were partly sheared so a pellet change was needed.

If your consistent low & right simply change the scope settings until your on. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 01, 2016, 01:41:57 PM
Nope, can't see any pics whatsoever.....or even codes or links to pics.

If ya want to repost them Blerk, please feel free. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 01, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Target no6 looks like you're getting somewhere,symetrical and on target.Well done Blerk.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 01, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
It's a new gun, it needs to run in and the barrel needs to lead up a bit, plus the guns new to you, you have to get used to it
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 03, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
De -cock the rifle so you can safely look at the breach & see the pellet skirt.

What do you mean by "de-cock"? Is that just pulling the trigger with the barrel broken?

If your consistent low & right simply change the scope settings until your on. :)

My "low & right" tendancy seemed to fade towards the end of my session and I put it down to getting used to using a scope and also being more gentle on the trigger.

If I return to "low & right" I'll look to zero the scope as you suggest.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 03, 2016, 11:34:56 AM
Target no6 looks like you're getting somewhere,symetrical and on target.Well done Blerk.

Many thanks. Early days yet but I'm not ashamed.

It's a new gun, it needs to run in and the barrel needs to lead up a bit, plus the guns new to you, you have to get used to it

Yes, the guys at the range said something about running the gun in. I wasn't aware of the concept but it's not unreasonable, I suppose. I was told it would take a couple of hundred shots to get through the process.

What do you men by "lead up"? Is it literally lining the barrel with lead from the pellets?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 03, 2016, 12:50:01 PM

What do you mean by "de-cock"? Is that just pulling the trigger with the barrel broken?
DO NOT DO THIS!!
On some guns there is an anti bear trap to prevent this, it that fails or the gun hasn't got one then the result is a crushed breach block, barrel bent up, shaped stock and posabley crushed fingers.
When teaching my neice how to shoot I told her when she reloads the gun, swap the gun from the right side (she's right handed) so the butt of the gun is on the left hip, with the left hand hold the fore stock, with the right hand slap the end of the barrel then keep the momentum going so you cock you cock the gun, now with your left hand take hold of the barrel, then take your right hand off the barrel so you can load. This insures that your fingers are well away from the trigger and that the barrel is under some control incase some thing goes wrong with the gun and the barrel try's to snap up, (chances are you won't be able to stop the barrel from snapping up but it could buy you a few milli seconds more to get your fingers out of the way)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 03, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
DO NOT DO THIS!!

Okey doke!

I think that might be an important lesson learnt right there!

I think the automatic safety on my gun may help prevent this, yes?

But, what do you mean by "de-cock"?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 03, 2016, 01:46:17 PM
DO NOT DO THIS!!

Okey doke!

I think that might be an important lesson learnt right there!

I think the automatic safety on my gun may help prevent this, yes?

But, what do you mean by "de-cock"?
Insted of trying to decock the gun (you have to hold the barrel as its open then pull the trigger and try to hold on to the barrel as it try's to slam shut) try opening the barrel just enough to put a pellet in without fully cocking it, then close the barrel so it's loaded but not cocked, then check as landy says.
Leading the barrel, the pellets leave a microscopic smear of lead in the barrel (lead is a lubricant, that's why it was in petrol to stop problems with the valves) there are 2 schools of thought, 1; clean the barrel after every shooting session, 2; only clean the barrel when the groups open up
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 03, 2016, 06:50:46 PM
Sometimes new gun barrels need a clean straight away as they can have oil/grease down the barrel to protect from rust whilst they're in storage to be shipped or left over crud from the machining  process.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
I was inspecting my weapon last night and, after I'd finished doing that, I took a look at my rifle to check for pellet shear and whatnot.

I've lost a screw out of my mod! Three holes, two (loose) screws!

They must have worked loose while I was at the range on Friday. Considering I only put about 80-100 down the barrel I'm a tad surprised but hey-ho.

I assume that these babies keep the internals in place so I'm off back to the shop on my way home from work to have it looked at.

I'll post to my progress when I have learned more...................
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 04, 2016, 04:30:18 PM
I was inspecting my weapon last night and, after I'd finished doing that, I took a look at my rifle to check for pellet shear and whatnot.

I've lost a screw out of my mod! Three holes, two (loose) screws!

They must have worked loose while I was at the range on Friday. Considering I only put about 80-100 down the barrel I'm a tad surprised but hey-ho.

I assume that these babies keep the internals in place so I'm off back to the shop on my way home from work to have it looked at.

I'll post to my progress when I have learned more...................
Take the screws out of the mod, put some nail varnish on the screw threads, let dry, then fit back in. This will make the screws a bit harder to get out but not as hard as if a proper thread locker had been used
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
put some nail varnish on the screw threads

I'll try this once I have a full complement of screws (remember three holes, two screws?).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 04, 2016, 06:05:08 PM
''(remember three holes, two screws?).'' 

 alternate between each and have a rest inbetween. ::) :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 04, 2016, 07:35:58 PM
I was inspecting my weapon last night

 :o :o :-\ :-\

There's the Adult Section for that sort of discussion dun thar nar? ;D ;D :P :P
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2016, 09:28:28 PM
alternate between each and have a rest inbetween. ::) :D

LOL! (As the kids say.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
So chappy has replaced my missing screen and tightened the loose ones.

He even saved me from using my favourite nail varnish as he put some Locktite on them for me.

Apparently they were for holding the insides (baffles) in place. As the original mod could have sustained damage he replaced the whole thing!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 05, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
As the original mod could have sustained damage he replaced the whole thing!

Can't say fairer than that!!

Well actually I can, coz I just did!! :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 05, 2016, 07:54:33 PM
Yeah.

I'm glad I've ended up buying from a shop rather than over the Galactic Network.

Someone suggested that my cancelled first order could be a blessing in disguise.......
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 05, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Glad it's sorted out. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 05, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
I'm glad I've ended up buying from a shop rather than over the Galactic Network.........Someone suggested that my cancelled first order could be a blessing in disguise.......

Absolutely Mr Blerk.

Buying locally can have it's advantages if something goes wrong.....where as a few quid saved by buying online is soon voided if a problem occurs and the grief of trying to get warranty work done becomes an issue!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
It was off to the range again last night so here's the latest installment.

Firstly, let's address pellet shearing.

Break the gun and pellet in:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20161007_182801%20(Mobile).jpg)

Break the gun and check for shearing:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20161007_182821%20(Mobile).jpg)

It looks OK to me.

Onto the evening..........

I'm beginning to recognise the challenges I have to overcome in order to improve:
1 - The targets are tiny and too far away ;-)
2 - I MUST NOT rush my shots
3 - Breathing is a bit of an art
4 - Consistency is about being consistent in HOW I shoot (by this I mean that I need to find the correct way to hold the gun and look down the scope)

I did a bit of plinking at spinners and metal targets before I went for my paper ones. I tried various different distances but kept returning to 30yard targets as that was where I was going to put my paper ones.

Eventually I felt I was ready.

Here's target 1:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20161008_124715%20(Mobile).jpg)

Not great but at least I got all five pellets on the paper. Top-right and bottom-left could definitely be better.

Here's target 2:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20161008_124755%20(Mobile).jpg)

I'm not ashamed of that one. I gave myself 10 pellets and ALL 10 hit the paper, 8 of them in the black!

My goal for next week will be to get 10 in the black.

But I got chatting to bloke there and I said that one of the problems I have is that it's a bit difficult to see where your pellet has landed with these paper targets. So he passed me a day-glo jobbie and said "try that".

Here it is:

(http://www.bbsltd.comxa.com/20161008_124804%20(Mobile).jpg)

Now, first thing to notice is how easy it is to see where the target has been hit. Result! Unfortunately these targets are quite pricey and I've been heavily influenced by living in *orkshire for so long that I doubt if I'll be spending the money on them.

The second thing to notice is the position of the two hits circled in orange/red. Notice how close they are to the bulls? They were my first two shots at the target using this bloke's Walther S510.

The blue circled hits were from my Terrus and aimed at the large top-right and bottom-right targets. Less good, eh?

One of the hits circled in grey was for the top-left target and one at the middle-left. So one of those wasn't bad.

And the hit circled in purple? I have no idea where that was supposed to be going!!!!!

But the point I'm going to make here may be controversial; PCPs are too easy. Bloke's S510 was a lovely piece of kit; no recoil, quiet, when I looked down the scope the target looked like it was stuck to my nose. And look at where I put my first two shots; right next to the bulls!

Where's the challenge? It seems I have two choices when it comes to shooting targets; I can , practice, practice practice and improve (hopefully), or I enter an arms race and buy loads of expensive kit until I get to a point where I simply point and press.

I'm sorry if this upsets people but I'll stick to my springer and practice and try to learn and improve. If I wanted technology to govern my accuracy I'd sit on the sofa and play Sniper Elite on the xBox.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 08, 2016, 02:05:00 PM
Yep pellets look to be seated correctly with no interference.

  Practice , practice , practice.

 '' But the point I'm going to make here may be controversial; PCPs are too easy. Bloke's S510 was a lovely piece of kit; no recoil, quiet, when I looked down the scope the target looked like it was stuck to my nose. And look at where I put my first two shots; right next to the bulls!''   If it was too easy Blerk, they would be in the bulls,not next to.Just saying..


 What magnification are using on the scope and what's it parallax free at,in other words what distance is the scope focused at.?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
If it was too easy Blerk, they would be in the bulls,not next to.Just saying..

Good point, well made.

What magnification are using on the scope and what's it parallax free at,in other words what distance is the scope focused at.?

It's a BSA MD 3-9x50 WR Essencial scope. It was zeroed at 25ish yards.

As for the magnification, I have no idea! I haven't really investigated the settings or tweaks I can make to the scope. (To be honest, I didn't think I would be able to change magnification! I'll have to have a play with it now.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 08, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
the scope is a 3x9 x50 correct, that means that you can adjust the magnification of the scope from x3 to x 9.  The parallax will be fixed without the facility of adjustment, well it can be adjusted but that's another story.

 Parallax free is a term used to mean where the image is in perfect focus,This can be found by pointing the scope at an object whilst holding or resting the gun very steady. If you move your head about all the image moves in relation to the crosshair. Try looking at things at different distances until you find how ever you move your head about, the crosshair stays glued to the object your looking at. At this range we say it's ''parallax free''. In other words in perfect focus.
 
  This parallax error you may sometimes read about increases with maginification,so at x3 ,at first glance it all looks in focus, where as at x 9 it's quite pronounced in comparison.  This difference to do with magnification is all about ''depth of field''.  Less magnification = more depth of field.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
@Seagate - Brilliant information! Many thanks. That's a bit of coaching and education right there.

I'll try it out and feedback ..............
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Barry in IN on October 08, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
A couple of items:

-You can make your own Shoot-N-C targets.   You need cheap construction paper, cheap black paint, and cheap clear packing tape.   It's vital to buy the lowest quality of each "ingredient".
Pick a bright colored piece of construction paper.   This will be your hit splatter color.   Paint it with one coat of the black paint.   When dry, cover the paint with one layer of the packing tape.   Done.   Cut out whatever shape you want or leave whole, and shoot.

When shot, the paint will be pulled off the bright colored construction paper by the tape, but it won't all stay on the tape. The result will be a bright colored spot at the hit.

The reason for using the cheapest materials is because:
A) Better construction paper won't tear right to make a big enough spot.
B) Better paint will stick too well.   You need it to come off the construction paper.
C) Better tape won't pull free from the paint at the impact. 

-On breathing/breath control.
The standard advice is to take a few breaths, then take a slightly deeper breath, let out half, hold that, and shoot.    I disagree with that because it's forced.  Not natural or consistent.   In my competition time, we did something different.

When you breathe normally, you have natural pauses at the end of each inhale and exhale.  In, pause; out, pause.   If you watch, your pause at the end of the exhale is longest. 
Try using this pause at exhale to shoot.
It is a long enough pause to get the shot off.  You can hold it a little longer, but if you wait long, you've held the shot too long anyway and should start over.    It's also a consistent point compared to guessing the middle of a breath.  This becomes important in position shooting because your position will change with how much you are "inflated".   Your shape changes.  Doing it this way keeps you in a pretty consistent shape.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 08, 2016, 05:33:32 PM
Dunno what's going-on with Blerk's pics as they're not showing in his posts for me. :-\

If I go into his posts (I can technically do that being Admin) I can see the image codes he's added/applied, but for some reason they don't convert into pics on my laptop!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 05:42:36 PM
@Barry - Great tips, Barry. Pick any prize from the middle Sheffield

And I like the idea that one of our American cousins is recommending CHEAP solutions.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
Dunno what's going-on with Blerk's pics as they're not showing in his posts for me. :-\

If you do your Admin trick can you see their URLs?

Can you see the pics using the URLs directly?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 08, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
Mr Blerk, are you using your own webhosting for these pics?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 06:04:25 PM
Mr Blerk, are you using your own webhosting for these pics?

I'm using a free Web hosting service.

Here's a thought; could your security software be blocking jpegs?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 08, 2016, 07:22:43 PM
could your security software be blocking jpegs?

Yes it is.

I've looked into the domain you are using for your email and pic hosting (I won't divulge it on open forum), and found it is being blocked by my software for security reasons.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 08, 2016, 07:49:42 PM
Seems like a personal vendetta to me.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 08, 2016, 07:59:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 08, 2016, 08:14:31 PM
Seems like a personal vendetta to me.

Not at all........personal vendettas are only extended to those from *orkshire who have a penchant for .177 airguns.!!!  ;D ;D ;D

 


Seriously, have you tried ever somewhere like PhotoBucket (amongst others) to host yer pics? It's free thar nars. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 09, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
In your first target are you placing one shot for each target? just wondered

I would still try a closer zero first to check the pellet groups then try another brand to see if any difference & carry on with practice.

I can't tell for sure on the breach situation but notice the pellet is seated deeper & slight mark after closing.If it shows no shearing then its fine.

Make sure the crosshair is in focus with the adjusting ring & try 5x at 15 yards & see how you go.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 09, 2016, 08:00:43 PM
It's a fixed focus scope and 50mm objective. So plenty room for error if unawares.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 10, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
In your first target are you placing one shot for each target? just wondered

Believe it or not; yes, that was my intention.

I would still try a closer zero first to check the pellet groups then try another brand to see if any difference & carry on with practice.
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Make sure the crosshair is in focus with the adjusting ring & try 5x at 15 yards & see how you go.

My knowledge of all things scope-related is clearly sadly lacking. I'm going to have to look into (see what i did there?) this a lot more.

I think I'm beginning to understand "parallax". In my mind it's either losing sight of the target due to the focus of the scope being off OR it's a hole in the space/time continuum that gives Captin Kirk a headache.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 10, 2016, 02:50:47 PM
Seems like a personal vendetta to me.
Not at all........personal vendettas are only extended to those from *orkshire who have a penchant for .177 airguns.!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Fortunately I am a card-carrying .22 owner with my roots firmly in the North-East.

(My sordid *orkshire past was just a bad phase of which I am ashamed.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 10, 2016, 02:52:46 PM
@Barry - Great tips, Barry. Pick any prize from the middle Sheffield.

I've just realised I said "Sheffield" there (thanks to predictive text!!!!) which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

@Barry - Pick a prize from the middle shelf and half a lolly to make up for the confusion.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 10, 2016, 03:09:02 PM
This may clarify  things a little.   .http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/what-is-rifle-scope-parallax/
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 10, 2016, 06:35:46 PM
@Barry - Great tips, Barry. Pick any prize from the middle Sheffield.

I've just realised I said "Sheffield" there (thanks to predictive text!!!!) which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
it makes perfect sense, Sheffield isn't exactly top shelf ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 10, 2016, 08:53:41 PM
it makes perfect sense, Sheffield isn't exactly top shelf ::)

Big LOL!



<<Edited to fix broken quote bubble>>
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 10, 2016, 10:00:57 PM
As crap as Sheffield is its somewhat higher in the ranks than Donnie tha naws ;) :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 10, 2016, 10:20:44 PM
As crap as Sheffield is its somewhat higher in the ranks than Donnie tha naws ;) :D
Your only jealous cos we have a real air port and you don't! ::)   
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 12, 2016, 07:46:31 PM
Fortunately I am a card-carrying .22 owner with my roots firmly in the North-East.

(My sordid *orkshire past was just a bad phase of which I am ashamed.)

Very glad to hear it Mr Blerk. Please accept an applaud point for displaying proper common sense! ;)


I think I'm beginning to understand "parallax.

The easiest way to demonstrate parallax is like this........

Hold your index finger upright at arms length, then close one eye, and line the finger up with an object in the distance (a tree for example) with the open eye.

Then, when open eye/finger/object are perfectly aligned, move your head from side to side........your finger will no longer line-up with the object. This is the effect of parallax........and also happens when  you don't look perfectly centrally down your telescopic sight. You may have the illusion you've aligned your crosshair onto the target, but because of parallax error, you'll miss hitting the the target spot-on depending on the severity of the phenomenon. Parallax adjustable (PA) scopes alleviate the problem when the distance to the target is accurately set by the objective lens bell or sidewheel. Shooting at a different distance will then require the scope's parallax to be re-set for that/each distance.


Hope that explains it in an understandable way. If not......I have failed the task disastrously, and deserve to be smited for my incompetence. :-\

On a similar note, if it is actually understandable.....please feel free to applaud me....an accolade I'll accept most graciously.


Right....enough talking pompous bollocks...........
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 12, 2016, 08:02:01 PM
Hmmmm....

Smite?

Applaud?

Smite?

Applaud?

Ssssss....

Applaud!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 12, 2016, 08:06:58 PM
Fank Ya. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 12, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
Fank Ya. ;)
Gambos only happy cos it means his applaud points now don't say 177
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Airsporterman on October 12, 2016, 08:17:19 PM
Fortunately I am a card-carrying .22 owner with my roots firmly in the North-East.

(My sordid *orkshire past was just a bad phase of which I am ashamed.)

Very glad to hear it Mr Blerk. Please accept an applaud point for displaying proper common sense! ;)


I think I'm beginning to understand "parallax.

The easiest way to demonstrate parallax is like this........

Hold your index finger upright at arms length, then close one eye, and line the finger up with an object in the distance (a tree for example) with the open eye.

Then, when open eye/finger/object are perfectly aligned, move your head from side to side........your finger will no longer line-up with the object. This is the effect of parallax........and also happens when  you don't look perfectly centrally down your telescopic sight. You may have the illusion you've aligned your crosshair onto the target, but because of parallax error, you'll miss hitting the the target spot-on depending on the severity of the phenomenon. Parallax adjustable (PA) scopes alleviate the problem when the distance to the target is accurately set by the objective lens bell or sidewheel. Shooting at a different distance will then require the scope's parallax to be re-set for that/each distance.


Hope that explains it in an understandable way. If not......I have failed the task disastrously, and deserve to be smited for my incompetence. :-\

On a similar note, if it is actually understandable.....please feel free to applaud me....an accolade I'll accept most graciously.


Right....enough talking pompous bollocks...........

It's good - but I got my finger stuck up my nose!  :-[


ASM
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 12, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
Gambos only happy cos it means his applaud points now don't say 177

LOL! The wit on this planet is unquantifiable.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 12, 2016, 09:01:11 PM
''(My sordid *orkshire past was just a bad phase of which I am ashamed.)''   No ones forcing you to stay in Yorkshire,you're free to leave when ever you want. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: willow on October 12, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
O dear sea gate you just used that y word I guess someone will now smite you :(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 12, 2016, 09:11:20 PM
I live in Derbyshire now.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 12, 2016, 09:15:31 PM
 I can see a smiting war of attrition developing :D.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 12, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
   '' I live in Derbyshire now.'' that's a shame. ::)
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 12, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
It is. I've moved so far South the locals are starting to smell of Cockney.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 12, 2016, 09:34:56 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 14, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
the locals are starting to smell of Cockney.

I didn't know cocks actually had knees? ??? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 14, 2016, 08:29:38 PM
Oh, they do.

Knobbly ones.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 21, 2016, 11:23:10 AM
Good grief! It's Friday already and I haven't posted a progress update after last week's trip out.

So, here goes.

Last week's trip to the range was all about parallax; trying to see it, understand it and deal with it.

Firstly I shot a couple of targets straight out of the blocks just to see where I was.

Then a bit of plinking followed by another round at targets.

This time I was taking special note of spotting the parallax and trying to take it into account (mobile phone to hand, planetairgun.com on screen, occasionally referring to previous posts from this thread). The results weren't bad but they weren't a vast improvement on the previous week.

Back to plinking away for a while, then a couple more targets.

This time I played with the magnification on my scope. Up to this point it's always been set at 6x so I tried turning it up to 9x.

I THINK I was more comfortable at 6x but it could just be what I'm used to. Anyway, the long and the short is that the last two targets were no better than the previous pair. At least the experimentation didn't make things any worse (which is more than can be said for other experiments in my time!).

I definitely do NOT feel that I have got to grips with parallax so it will be a focal point (geddit) for this evening's trip to the range.

Additional: I've put nearly 500 pellets down the barrel now so I am confident that it is "leaded in" (or whatever the term is) but I am also in the market to buy some more! I think I'll try a different brand/type because, as you lot have probably already guessed, I believe in experimenting.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 21, 2016, 12:22:07 PM
If its a springer try superdomes by RWS there the bench mark pellets for springers
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 21, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
If its a springer try superdomes by RWS there the bench mark pellets for springers

Ah! That's what I've been using so far.

Which begs the question; "Is it worth trying any others?"
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 21, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
Yes it is ;)

The rifle may well need relubing (which both of mine did by the way).

Like i said get it zero'd at close range first then try a few brands of pellets to see which will give you the tightest group then explore further out.
All these things you will pick up with use.

I always have my zero slightly higher than the centre of the reticle,this is so i can see what I'm aiming at when the cloverleaf develops.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 21, 2016, 03:42:23 PM
The rifle may well need relubing.....

What on Earth (or Planet Airgun) does that mean? Does it involve pouring oil down the barrel?

....when the cloverleaf develops....

Are you taking the Arthur Bliss? What does THAT mean?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 21, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
Relubing refers to stripping the rifle to administer the correct lubrication to the different/varying components of the airgun. From the factory the rifle is assembled with a general grease applied everywhere.........not the optimum situation, but one which can be greatly improved upon by 'relubing'.

A 'Cloveleaf' is the pattern left in a paper or cardboard target when 3 or more pellets leave overlapping holes which resemble a clover leaf's petals. ;)


Yes definately....try as many different pellets as you can find/afford/be bothered to try. Please bear in mind that the dearest pellets are usually the highest quality and therefore the ones most likely to be the better performing, but that is a generalisation and not set in stone.  Happy Testing. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 21, 2016, 07:36:24 PM
Before you do anything , it might be worth letting an experienced boinger shooter have a go with your rifle.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 21, 2016, 09:28:55 PM
Very good explanation Mr Gambo & good advice Mr Seagate. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 21, 2016, 10:49:57 PM
Gambo forgot to say "for gods sake DO NOT put oil down the barrel or transfer port!"
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 21, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
What the Hell is a transfer port?!?!?!??!?!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: willow on October 22, 2016, 01:42:09 AM
It's the hole that lets the air from the chamber into the barrel, as people have said don't put oil in there ,bad bad bad,if still in doubt Google is your friend there are plenty of diagrams to show the internals of air rifles, well worth a look,
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 22, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Gambo forgot to say "for gods sake DO NOT put oil down the barrel or transfer port!"

Noted!!

Yep, putting ANY combustible substance in front of the piston will make the gun 'diesel' when fired, as the high pressure/heat spontaneously ignites the volatile material, which will cause havoc with the velocity and consistency, and could even cause permanent damage to the airgun. SO DON'T DO IT!! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 22, 2016, 03:09:03 PM
For Gambo's benefit I've created a Photobucket account. Hopefully pics will be visible to all now.

This week's trip to the range involved experimenting with a couple of new pellet types.

Here's what I went with:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161022_133435_zpsju2ioydx.jpg)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161022_133444_zpska0b4qww.jpg)

Here's what I learnt; different pellets feel VERY different when you're shooting. The degree of difference in the feel was surprising.

The Bisleys felt MUCH heavier than the Superdomes I've used previously and the RWS pellets much more "gentle".

Here's my first target of the session, using Superdomes (I'm quite proud of this, all in the black!):

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161021_212340_zps0vptbckv.jpg)

Here's my second target, this time using the new RWS pellets:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161021_212430_zpsxzczrmft.jpg)

Now, considering I'd not shot with this pellet anywhere near as much as I have with the Superdomes I think that's not bad. They just felt BETTER.

.....it might be worth letting an experienced boinger shooter have a go with your rifle.

You may have realised by now that I'm happy to chat (and LISTEN) to people and the guy running the range came over for a chat (we'd not met before and he seems like the type that likes to make people welcome). So I was explaining how I was trying new pellets. "You should try some of these," he says. Out come a couple of dozen JSB Diablo Exact pellets. Very generous.

And this bloke, let's call him Brian (because that's his name), seems to know what he's talking about. And he shoots springers. And he has a LOT more experience than I do. And he's a former British and World Champion so who am I to reject his advice?

Here's my FIRST and only target with the JSB's after a little plinking with them:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161021_212404_zpsbkwurnmr.jpg)

Do you know what this tells me?

It was a bit of a revelation! I really like the feel of the RWS pellets but the grouping with the JSB's was brilliant!

So, next week I'll be investing in a tin of those babies and checking the zero on my scope.

And here's another thing I learnt (unfortunately it was after I'd left the range so couldn't test it out): My scope has variable magnification up to 9x but IT ALSO HAS VARIABLE FOCUS!!!!!!! I'd looked at the bloody thing and fiddled with knobs until my hand hurt and then I realised there was a twisty turny bit at the eyepiece which alters the bloody focus!!!! I can't wait to get back to the range next week to see if I can bring those targets into sharper focus, identify and deal with parallax and get some improved grouping using some JSB Diablos.

Here's something else I've learnt ................... I'm addicted to air rifle shooting. The amount of challenge, technique, potential improvement, satisfaction, instant feedback, friendliness, and on, and on, and on, that this hobby/sport gives is great.

(You may be wondering where my targets are for the Bisley pellets. They're in the bin. I was rubbish with them!)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 22, 2016, 04:18:17 PM
 :)

 So you've discovered the joys of jsb pellets. That's very good.
 You'll come to realise that a lot but not all of us find that jsb pellets are usually the best for longer range accuracy and power they produce. This is because compared to the rws and many other brands,in comparison they're very soft lead ,so when the pulse of air hits behind the pellet skirt,it spreads out the skirt and forces it in to the rifling of the barrel creating a good seal and also spins them up consistently.

That's not to say superdomes are shite,they work very well in some rifles,in fact a couple of my rifles love'em. But ultimately a at longer range jsb variants are better.
 It also appears you've become aware that different pellets alter the feel of the gun up on squeezing the trigger. Heavier pellets usually create more recoil or lumpiness,where as light pellets just feel ''nicer'' to shoot.

 So your looking for jsb pellets then, unless you specifically know which jsb pellets Brian gave you, here's some more info,  a lot of 22 jsb pellets that are easily obtainable weigh 15.9 grn which is heavyish for a springer, they come in 2 forms. jsb jumbo exact 15.9, and airarms field 15.9. Also there's another version that are made especially for springer weighing just 13.4 grn,and fly much much flatter ,these are called falcon accuracy plus. I recommend these pellets over all others for low recoil and flat trajectory and longer range accuracy,they're awesome.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 23, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
For Gambo's benefit I've created a Photobucket account. Hopefully pics will be visible to all now

Why Thank You kind Sir!! ;) :-*



When adjusting the scope's eyebell to set it to YOUR eye's focus on the crosshair* (look at a blank wall/sky/paper to do it) be aware that the zero will probably alter..........so don't be concerned that your zero is not spot-on at the moment, it can be done all in one go when you get your JSB ammo.

*I don't want to sound 'preachy'...but just incase you weren't already aware Mr Blerk, the rear 'ocular' eyebell is used for focusing the crosshair, the front 'objective' lens is adjusted to focus the target image/remove parallax.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 23, 2016, 12:45:30 PM
I don't want to sound 'preachy'

Preach away! Everything is an education to me at the moment.

I think I may have misunderstood what the focus adjustment will do for me. If it simply makes the crosshair sharper what can I adjust to make the target itself sharper?

My scope has X/Y dials, zoom and the ocular focus twiddler. I think I've run out of options for focusing on the target itself.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 23, 2016, 12:53:50 PM
As Gambo said, focus the scope by looking at a blank wall or sky, just take quick looks through the scope when focusing as when you look through a scope your eye will try to focus on the crosshairs.
The parallax ring on the front of the scope (a side wheel on some) can be used for range finding (the parallax ring (or wheel) is calibrated and the range is printed on it,
A good thing to remember is the scopes "distance per click" (how far the crosshairs move with each click of the windige/elivation turrets) and the range the distance per click is at, (found in the scopes instructions along with how to focus the scope ::))
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 23, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
I don't want to sound 'preachy'

Preach away! Everything is an education to me at the moment.

I think I may have misunderstood what the focus adjustment will do for me. If it simply makes the crosshair sharper what can I adjust to make the target itself sharper?

My scope has X/Y dials, zoom and the ocular focus twiddler. I think I've run out of options for focusing on the target itself.
When the scope is focused to your eye then you use the parallax ring to focus on the target, this insures that the crosshairs and the target are in focus
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 23, 2016, 01:02:49 PM
"parallax ring"?

I might be lacking in the ring department!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 23, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
what can I adjust to make the target itself sharper?

To make the target image sharper, the lens at the front of the scope needs to be adjusted.

Some scopes make provision (no pun intended) for this (deemed as PA or PX adjustable, whether via a front or side wheel), and some don't....but those that don't can be adjusted by loosening the front eyebell ring (easier said than done on some scopes) and rotating the lens carrier in or out to produce a crisp image.

Be aware however, that if you adjust a scope to give a super sharp image at say 30 yards, it will only be super sharp at that particular range, and any distances viewed either significantly closer or further than that distance will show a reduction in image clarity. It therefore makes sense to set the image adjustment of your scope to an 'average' range that you mostly use.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 23, 2016, 01:25:29 PM


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejFcS1pKjDs     this shows you how to manually adjust your scope. The last hawke scope I did this to didn't want to budge so I put a cloth around the end and soaked it in hot water to expand the metal and soften the glue.
 The previous scopes I've done have been easier and just secured by a fine thread with sticky grease.





 Scopes and camera lenses fall off in sharpness twice the rate behind the focal plane than the front.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 23, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
what can I adjust to make the target itself sharper?

To make the target image sharper, the lens at the front of the scope needs to be adjusted.

Some scopes make provision (no pun intended) for this (deemed as PA or PX adjustable, whether via a front or side wheel), and some don't....but those that don't can be adjusted by loosening the front eyebell ring (easier said than done on some scopes) and rotating the lens carrier in or out to produce a crisp image.

Be aware however, that if you adjust a scope to give a super sharp image at say 30 yards, it will only be super sharp at that particular range, and any distances viewed either significantly closer or further than that distance will show a reduction in image clarity. It therefore makes sense to set the image adjustment of your scope to an 'average' range that you mostly use.
if I remember correctly it only needs 1/4 of a turn to re parallax to airgun range (sorry canot remember which way) most scopes (except the ones made especially for airguns) are parallaxed at something like 100m
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Screwing the lens out will bring the focus closer, screwing it in will lengthen it.

The amount required will depend on where (what distance) it is set at present, and on the magnification.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 23, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
'' Scopes and camera lenses fall off in sharpness twice the rate behind the focal plane than the front. ''  oops, err other way around.

 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 24, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Oh! Dear God!

It's all got a bit scientific.

...... your eye will try to focus on the crosshairs.

Yes, I think my eye may be doing exactly that.

The parallax ring on the front of the scope (a side wheel on some) can be used for range finding (the parallax ring (or wheel) is calibrated and the range is printed on it,

I don't think I have one of those (which is a shame because I like twisting knobs).

A good thing to remember is the scopes "distance per click" (how far the crosshairs move with each click of the windige/elivation turrets) and the range the distance per click is at, (found in the scopes instructions along with how to focus the scope ::))

I've found the relevant section in the scope's "manual". I think if I read it another four or five times it might start to seem as if it is written in English. Having said that, I don't think I have a "parallax ring".

To make the target image sharper, the lens at the front of the scope needs to be adjusted.

Some scopes make provision (no pun intended) for this (deemed as PA or PX adjustable, whether via a front or side wheel), and some don't....but those that don't can be adjusted by loosening the front eyebell ring (easier said than done on some scopes) and rotating the lens carrier in or out to produce a crisp image.

First science, now engineering! Perhaps I should invest in a scope with a twiddly bit on the front lens...........


Be aware however, that if you adjust a scope to give a super sharp image at say 30 yards, it will only be super sharp at that particular range, and any distances viewed either significantly closer or further than that distance will show a reduction in image clarity. It therefore makes sense to set the image adjustment of your scope to an 'average' range that you mostly use.

I can appreciate that no scope will do everything perfectly at all ranges and I can see that some of the skill to this game is to know what to adjust (the way you sight down the scope or the scope's settings) to take into account changes in range etc. Such a LOT to take in and learn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejFcS1pKjDs     this shows you how to manually adjust your scope.

Great video. It gives me a bit more confidence to start fettling my own scope (it was sounding a bit drastic earlier).

Scopes and camera lenses fall off in sharpness twice the rate behind the focal plane than the front.

@Seagate - Was that English or Gibberish?

'' Scopes and camera lenses fall off in sharpness twice the rate behind the focal plane than the front. ''  oops, err other way around.

@Seagate - Ah! Gibberish!

OK, thanks to you wonderful planeteers I now think I should fettle the front lens on my scope to improve focus and I have some confidence to do it.

This week's aim (pardon the pun) is to improve my understanding of scope mechanics and, thus, the focus on the target. If all else fails I'll start looking for a scope with a twiddly knob (although this goes against my self-imposed doctrine of "don't spend a load of money and don't get into an 'arms race'").

I'm going to try a few more of the JSB pellets to see if I can be consistent and achieve groupings like I did when I tried them last week.

I'm pretty sure I'm making steps in the right direction and if I can keep control of the number of changes I make at any one time I should be able to work out what works and what doesn't. ........... I hope.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 24, 2016, 12:17:30 PM
With all this talk about scopes, how to re parallax them, advice on pellets and rifles, it's beginning to sound like a serious airgun forum! :o :P
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 24, 2016, 01:01:20 PM
........... it's beginning to sound like a serious airgun forum! ............

Sorry.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 24, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
Planet Airgun a 'Serious' airgun forum!!! :o :o

Well, there's no rule which says you can't have a laugh and a giggle along the pathway to enlightenment and righteousness.....so I'm more than happy if this friendly forum has a ying-yang balance of both knowledge and fun mixed up together!! ;) ;D ;D


Blerk....I'm sure you are making steps in the right direction too, so keep at it mucker! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 24, 2016, 05:13:12 PM
I've just been thinking about this thread, and what Blerk said about "not wanting to get into the arms race' by being lured-in to buying ever more expensive and technologically 'advanced' scopes.

For what it's worth, when I started airgunning scopes were pretty basic anyway, but then as time went on all the bells and whistles started to appear on them, and I went along the path of being convinced into 'upgrading' nearly every time summat new came out. But as I think about it now, I've largely turned my back on high tech scopes laden with gizmos........and now, for me, the simpler the scope, the more I like it. If I'm honest, 'Fully Loaded' (no pun intended) scopes did nothing positive for my shooting, and may even have introduced frustration into my sport with things like zero shift when changing magnification, or when rangefinding with the PX. The less there is, the less there is to go wrong.

Yes I would prefer to have a PA/PX adjustable scope, and I do like a mil-dot reticule......but even those features are not essential, and I yearn for nothing more......not even adjustable magnification, as I always shoot on 6x anyway. On the very odd occasion, an illuminated ret has been useful, but I wouldn't class IR as a must-have.

Simple, uncluttered scopes like the Nikko Sterling 6x40AO Mountmaster, Hawke 6x42 Reflex, or even the Richter Optics 6x40 meet my needs and wants perfectly these days..........so you could say I've gone 'full circle' as far as scopes specs are concerned.


Maybe that 'Goldlocks' nursery rhyme told to me as a kid did teach a valid lesson after all. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 24, 2016, 07:30:39 PM
''I've gone 'full circle as far as scopes specs are concerned ''   same here, I'm back to 4x32 fixed focus on my favourite springers . Funny old world :).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 24, 2016, 09:01:39 PM
@Seagate @Gambo I feel reassured about my approach now. Practice, practice, practice. Resist the arms race.

If I learn about the basics I'll LEARN. If I buy clever kit I'm in danger of losing sight of my short-comings (some would argue that I lost sight of those when I developed a beer belly).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 24, 2016, 10:09:28 PM
Yeh,best not get cought up in the 'arms race'  :).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 25, 2016, 08:03:12 PM
Yes Mr Blerky.....very wise to learn the basics of your craft before deciding if high spec, all singing all dancing kit would be a benefit to your shooting performance and pleasure.


A golfer can have a million every expensive clubs in his bag, but that doesn't mean he gonna stick that lil' ball into the hole any easier or better, does it!?!?

This all smacks of the well known saying.......'All the gear, and no idea'. ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 25, 2016, 08:22:07 PM
I'm sure we all love our more expensive kit,i know I do sometimes, but...  there's nothing to touch shooting a breakbarrel with a basic scope /ironsights.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 25, 2016, 09:26:46 PM
I'm the same; back in the day, I started out with a break-barrel springer and a pretty basic scope.

And I'm still using it and enjoying it after all this time  (four weeks).

For me it's the  'feedback' the gun gives me that makes it worthwhile. I'm starting to feel which shots are good/bad as the gun recoils.

Does that sound like a clinically mental issue?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 25, 2016, 10:02:43 PM
''Does that sound like a clinically mental issue?''   it sounds like your hooked on springer shooting shennanigans. :).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on October 26, 2016, 11:38:53 AM
https://youtu.be/gwZ5rBloG2c
This might be of some use mate
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 26, 2016, 07:33:33 PM
Sounds good if you know your good & bad shots by feel,your finding the joys of Springer use,you will soon be inside it fettling  :o :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 26, 2016, 07:50:16 PM
He (read, we) need one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WiLqPB4lU0

.905 caliber
2400 grn bullet
240 grns of powder
25400 ft lb muzzle energy
277 foot lbs of recoil
50 lb in weight

My .357
158 grn bullet
4.1 grn of powder
Less than 300 ft lb of muzzle energy
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 26, 2016, 08:44:00 PM
It looks abit lively :D.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 27, 2016, 04:45:25 PM
.........you will soon be inside it fettling

I'm back at the range tomorrow evening so I may have to fiddle with my front optic setting.

Before I do that, however, can anyone recommend a technique to get one's eye to focus on the target rather than the recticle?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 27, 2016, 10:30:32 PM
I may have to fiddle with my front optic

I hope you don't mean your Jap Eye!!! :o :o :o



can anyone recommend a technique to get one's eye to focus on the target rather than the recticle?

Getting the ret in sharp focus for your eyesight by viewing a blank sky/wall/piece of paper and adjusting the rear eyebell should then allow the target and ret to be in perfect harmonious focus.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 28, 2016, 01:27:37 AM
Getting the ret in sharp focus for your eyesight by viewing a blank sky/wall/piece of paper and adjusting the rear eyebell should then allow the target and ret to be in perfect harmonious focus.

Regardless of distance to the target?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 28, 2016, 07:05:00 PM
Yes. :)

Set the ret to your eyes, then you can get the target in focus using the front or side parallax wheel, or by manually winding the front lens carrier in or out as described earlier. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 28, 2016, 07:43:33 PM
      this is worth reading   http://www.rimfirebenchrest.com/articles/parallax2.html
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 31, 2016, 04:41:08 PM
      this is worth reading   http://www.rimfirebenchrest.com/articles/parallax2.html

Hmmm........ Interesting. Thanks.

But..... Disaster! Friday's trip to the range was cancelled due to "family commitments" (really, you'd think you'd be able to leave them home alone if they weren't tall enough to reach the rings on the cooker, eh?).

So I have stalled this week.

And I'm gutted. I was really looking forward to a session on the JSBs.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 31, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
That group you shot with the jsbs looked perfectly acceptable,you're making good headway.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 31, 2016, 07:40:06 PM
Thanks.

I just hope I haven't lost my 'momentum' with missing a week.

Then again, if I have to remind myself of the basics it's probably not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 02, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
I just hope I haven't lost my 'momentum' with missing a week.

On the contrary, missing a session could fire you up into making extra headway next time. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 09, 2016, 04:14:29 PM
A Tale of Good News And Bad News

Last weekend went a little like this............

Good news : It's Friday so I can go to the range this evening!

Bad news : My brother-in-law has had a heart attack, looks like this evening will involve a trip to Leeds!

Good news : My brother-in-law is in a serious condition in Intensive Care so no visitors. The wife's off to work and I'm off to the range!

Bad news : The bloody range is shut. Shut, I tell you! Why? No information of the website, no answers to my calls.

Good news : After a trip to see my brother-in-law on Saturday there are no plans for Sunday, I might be able to sneak a visit to the range in.

Bad news : Our youngest wants to go horse-riding and Dad's taxi is needed just when I want to be 15 miles away.

Good news : Our youngest is cold, wet and miserable and wants an earlier pick-up. I might be able to get to the range after all.

Bad news : The child is back in the warm so it's time to go and buy food. No time left to go to the range. Another missed week.

Lessons Learned

So, my plan for this week is to go to the range on Friday evening after PHONING AHEAD. If' they've shut early (or, perhaps, regardless of that) I'm going to get myself over there early on Sunday morning to put an alternative session into my options.

(The REALLY good news that I've just received is that my brother-in-law is showing great signs of improvement.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 09, 2016, 05:49:31 PM
''Good news : My brother-in-law is in a serious condition in Intensive Care so no visitors.''   I sometimes wonder about you Blerk. ::) :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 09, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
Some hospitals have gun ranges in the basements, Im sure one of the hospitals in Leeds hase one, air gunning is very good for heart attack patients, you have to control your breathing and your pulse rate and it gets you out and about (when your back on your feet) 
If in Leeds you might want to go to Henry krank in pudsy he's got a few nice air guns in as well as some collectable air rifles and pistols.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 09, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
''Good news : My brother-in-law is in a serious condition in Intensive Care so no visitors.''   I sometimes wonder about you Blerk. ::) :D

Thanks.  Have some applause.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 09, 2016, 06:18:13 PM
Some hospitals have gun ranges in the basements, Im sure one of the hospitals in Leeds hase one, air gunning is very good for heart attack patients, you have to control your breathing and your pulse rate and it gets you out and about (when your back on your feet) 
If in Leeds you might want to go to Henry krank in pudsy he's got a few nice air guns in as well as some collectable air rifles and pistols.

Silver linings!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 09, 2016, 07:45:39 PM
If things don't turn out well for him, you might consider Wakefield Crematorium for a tidy disposal , you could then call in to Redbeck Shooting Supplies on the way,they've a large carpark that could easily accommodate a funeral cortege. They've also plinking range aswell ,if time allows,you could shoot a few spinners to lighten the sombre mood. It all depends on how self centred his next of kin are I suppose.

Just an idea but If you're not to fussy I'm sure if you ask Mr Baines ,the owner of Redbeck if he  would let you use his oildrum incinerator. Kill two birds with one ston so to speak.Just saying..
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 09, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
If things don't turn out well for him, you might consider Wakefield Crematorium for a tidy disposal , you could then call in to Redbeck Shooting Supplies on the way,they've a large carpark that could easily accommodate a funeral cortege. They've also plinking range aswell ,if time allows,you could shoot a few spinners to lighten the sombre mood. It all depends on how self centred his next of kin are I suppose.

Just an idea but If you're not to fussy I'm sure if you ask Mr Baines ,the owner of Redbeck if he  would let you use his oildrum incinerator. Kill two birds with one ston so to speak.Just saying..

My thumb hovered over  'Report to Moderator ' for a second there!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 09, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
I thought it was rather comical.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 09, 2016, 09:29:45 PM
Yes, I  can't argue with you there.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 09, 2016, 10:29:25 PM
Sorry to hear of your woes Blerky...............









..........sorry to hear about your brother-in-law too!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 10, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
@Gambo : LOL (as the kids would say).

Change of plans: The wife's not working tomorrow night so no trip to the range. Bit she IS working this evening so it's going to be a Thursday outing! After three weeks I'm wondering how long it'll take me to remeber which end of the gun is the dangerous one............
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 10, 2016, 01:58:49 PM
I'm wondering how long it'll take me to remeber which end of the gun is the dangerous one............
It's the nut behind the butt! ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 16, 2016, 02:42:47 PM
Well, after a three week break I managed to get back to the range last Friday.

I gave the Bisley Super Field pellets away. Didn't like them and neither did my gun.

But I bought some JSBs!!!!

I tried changing magnification, the way I held the rifle, the zero on the scope.

I tried to remember about parallax and not to cant (learnt a new word the other day) my gun over.

I tried varying my timing during my berathing.

Here's the one target worth discussion:
(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/20161116_123050%20Mobile_zpschdiyzdd.jpg) (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/IceBlerk/media/20161116_123050%20Mobile_zpschdiyzdd.jpg.html)

Note that ALL 10 shots hit the black!!!!!!! I feel a bit pleased with myself; I'm going to have a chocolate Noddy.

So, what does this target tell me?


It's been a while since I asked a stupid question so here are a few to make up for it:

Footnote : Brother-in-Law is out of Intensive Care and getting better.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 16, 2016, 06:28:14 PM
Before we go any further ,what range was this target shot at?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 16, 2016, 06:37:56 PM
37 yards.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 16, 2016, 07:00:26 PM
Sorry, typo.

It was 30 yards.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 16, 2016, 07:31:46 PM
  37 Yards is a respectable range for a breakbarrel springer . Your group looks the size of a 2p coin or similar. Within that group you've a cluster of 6 shots all in a tight pattern,so you're definitely getting the hang of it.

 Personally for the time being I wouldn't bother fiddling with the zero at all, just set you're scope mag where it suits you and then leave it alone. Concentrate on group size and consistent approach. Constant fiddling gives inconsistent results. The way you hold you're rifle and from what ever shooting position you utilise, say seated hft style,shooting off hand with no support,shooting offhand leaning with a shoulder on a tree, shooting off hand with with a part of your anatomy resting on a fence or branch ,kneeling etc ,each of those positions will give you a different poi, the trick is to learn by how much and in what direction,slowly over time you'll become awre of it and aim accordingly, then further down the line you'll forget as it all as it will be catered for unconsciously. Your original zero is only true,when repeated from exactly the same shooting position from whence it was set..Which all sounds a mind fk but you'll soon get the hang of it and it'll never be an issue.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 16, 2016, 07:34:49 PM
  • How often should I clean my weapon?
  • Is there a recommended way for a chap to clean his weapon?
  • Should I use special fluids/potoins to clean my weapon?
  • Can you clean your weapon too much


Firstly........Good news about the Bro-in-Law. ;)


Secondly........I clean my weapon daily.....though all I ever use is soap or shower gel........but cleaning it too much (especially vigorously) could be deemed as masturbation, so be very careful on that score (sic). ;)



Did you find the zero moved when you changed the magnification setting?

Have you now found a preferable way to hold the rifle.......as 'hold consistency' is of prime importance to accurate springer shooting.


As Nick says, that's none too shabby grouping for a springer @30 yards....some people at our club don't do that well @20!!! ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 16, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
•How often should I clean my weapon?
•Is there a recommended way for a chap to clean his weapon?
•Should I use special fluids/potoins to clean my weapon?
•Can you clean your weapon too much (I'm thinking about all that leading in the barrel)?


  Keep the metal work shiney with oil at all times,you MUST  wipe it over with an oily rag after each time it's handled. Not wd40.

 Barrel wise, some barrels benefit from regular cleaning with a pull through and fag filter. Or when changing between different pellet brands due to the different lead alloys used. Some will shoot donkeys years without ever needing any attention what so ever regardless of swapping and changing pellet types. Out of my present peashooters regularly used, only 2 ever benefit from a clean every couple of tins or so. One's a hw, the other aa.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 16, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
''that's none too shabby grouping for a springer @30 yards....some people at our club don't do that well @20!!! ::)'' 

 Seeing as Blerk is doing this shooting malarkey ultimately to get involved with pest control,should we say something about 'real world' hunting with springers in relation to what some one might assume after watching some of the pricks on utube and the silly ranges they shoot vermin at and the so called ''instant kills''.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 16, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
@seagate :

Thank you.

What do hft and  poi mean?

I've learnt that I definitely shoot better when I hold my weapon with both hands (straying towards vigorous cleaning territory again!).

@Gambo:

I'll take care with the cleaning, don't want to damage my eyesight.

The zero did move and I had to refocus. (I've moved out to 30 yards because the range runs a competition at that distance.)

Yes, I need to find the most comfortable and reliable position.  I think I'm nearly there.

And thanks.

@seagate again : I'll get some gun oil and an old pair of the wife's pants to keep the surface of my barrel shiny. I think I'll leave the inside for a while, the JSBs are travelling OK at the moment.

@seagate again again :

My plan is to practice until March and then decide if I'm comfortable enough to find a permission. Not before.

There's a field target club near me and I'd love to try that but membership is full at the moment. Long waiting list too apparently.

As always, all advice is gratefully received.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 16, 2016, 08:56:25 PM
HFT = hunter field target , worth a look  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSTX03yVN-0

 poi =  point of impact
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 16, 2016, 09:06:12 PM
Yes! Hunter Field Target shooting looks great. I'd love to be able to give that a crack before moving onto bunnies but,as I said, the local club is full to busting.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 16, 2016, 09:54:44 PM
The fact that your zero shifted when you changed magnification is the reason why I've learned to set up a scope (focus, parallax, magnification etc), zero it, and then never change any of the parameters. Very few scopes manage to retain their zero when moving the lenses, so after years of frustration I never do it any more.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 17, 2016, 01:13:34 PM
Yes! Hunter Field Target shooting looks great. I'd love to be able to give that a crack before moving onto bunnies but,as I said, the local club is full to busting.
If you old us where you live (you might have noticed, under the avatars it says the town where you live, if you filled in the right bit when you registered) we might be able to recommend other gun clubs
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 17, 2016, 01:21:31 PM
If you old us where you live

Done. (No stalkers, please).

@airgunnut : As a Donny man you probably know of Anston Field Target Club.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 17, 2016, 05:35:44 PM
If you old us where you live

Done. (No stalkers, please).

@airgunnut : As a Donny man you probably know of Anston Field Target Club.
I know of it but never been there, in Sheffield there is the idleback range http://southyorkshireshootingclub.co.uk/
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on November 18, 2016, 03:06:22 PM
Its a bit pricey i think with membership fee as well but you still have to book a lane.

Mr Blerk glad your getting to grips with it,what i would like you to do  is get this rifle stripped & relubed,I'm sure it will benefit as mine were a bit dry on the spring & a bit oily round the piston seal.

I would also do a couple of clicks or so on the scope Left a bit Down a bit :)

As the chaps say nowt wrong wi thaat
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 18, 2016, 03:13:30 PM
stripped & relubed

We've only been together a few weeks, I'm still at the "dinner and drinks" stage!!!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on November 18, 2016, 03:23:50 PM
 ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 18, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
I'm still at the "dinner and drinks" stage!!!!!

Geez, you work slow, don'tcha? ::)

Here in South Wales, 'dinner and drinks' means a doner kebab and a bottle of Lambrinini.....then most will allow yer to strip and relube 'em on the first date!!! ;)  8) 8) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 18, 2016, 05:38:02 PM
a doner kebab

Surely you mean a chicken kebab; a donner kebab is made from lamb and that would be cannibalism for a Welsh date.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 18, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
Welsh girls just like getting any sort of meat down their throats....and I ain't gonna complain!!


This thread is going off topic somewhat, and turning into a smutty innuendo fest. If it doesn't stop soon I'm gonna be forced to have a reet 'ol grizzle to the management. ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 18, 2016, 06:26:11 PM
Landymick started it.

Anyway, back on topic; no visit to the range for me this evening.  I'm going to make an early morning dash on Sunday instead.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 18, 2016, 06:34:43 PM
Landymick started it.

Did he? OK, if it's his fault I might have to increase his smite tally a bit! :-\


No visit to the range tonight huh? Well if the weather is as bad where you are as it is here, staying indoors is the best option!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 18, 2016, 07:02:13 PM
staying indoors is the best option!!

It's far worse than that.  Christmas shopping!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 18, 2016, 07:37:45 PM
Christmas shopping!!!!!!!

Bloody hell......ain'tcha ever heard of ebay?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 18, 2016, 08:00:54 PM
Yeah, but the wife hasn't!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on November 19, 2016, 10:50:27 AM
Yeah, but the wife hasn't!
keep it that way mate mines just figured amazon and ebay. Jesus im skint
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 19, 2016, 11:07:31 AM
Well get on there sharpish and change her passwords!!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 22, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
Halloo! Halloo!!

I got to the range on Sunday morning.

I noticed three things straight away:

I've just noticed something else:

I was shooting a mixture of JSB Match Exact and RWS Hobby (those what have the flat head (like my Uncle Mike)).

I did a mixture of the usual plinking at spinners and whatnot and targets at 30 yards.

Before I get to the targets I'd like to mention a special moment that I had after 10 minutes of plinking, before I'd put my first targets out. There's a 20cm x 20cm metal plate at the end of the range (35 yards away) and it has a little (approx. 5mm) hole drilled in the centre (@ Barry in IN - note the CORRECT spelling of "centre" there) and behind that hole is a bell. "What the Hell," I thought, "Have a go." First shot; low and right. Second shot; slightly high. Third shot; ON THE BLOODY NOSE!!!!!!! I nearly jumped up and did a dance but settled for doing a small, one-man Mexican wave with myself instead.

Now you may be thinking "Lucky git" and you may be right, but my zero is at 30yards and I prefer to think that I considered the correction I needed to apply for each shot to hit the target and that my process proved to be fruitful. Lucky or not, I stopped trying after that; quit while you're ahead, Blerk.

So, onto the targets.

First one : 10 JSBs in the black but generally high and left.

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161122_143206_zpstgenkmuv.jpg)

High and left has been a bit of a pattern so I thought I'd tweak my scope dials.

Second target : 9 1/2 out of 10 in the black. Just a little to the left. Just another small tweak needed........

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161122_143442_zpsb6kq9r9l.jpg)


Third target : 9 out of 10 JSBs in the black (God knows what happened to that little bugger down at the 6 o'clock) but too low. I've lost height!!!!!!!

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161122_143415_zpsykb2t3x9.jpg)

It was time to stop tweaking with the hardware and simply try to think about how I was shooting.............

Fourth target : Change of tactic here; 5 pellets at each of the outer targets. But notice the two bullseyes!

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161122_143251_zpsjyptywew.jpg)

Fifth target : I'd had this little beauty up all through my session and had been going back to it  throughout. Notice the group low and left of the top, right red target? That's the Hobbys. Notice the clean kill on the bunny? That's a JSB, shot fairly on in the session.

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161122_143536_zps1zsm0ws4.jpg)

So, what did I learn from the targets?

There are so many variables when shooting a springer that consistency of setup, settings, pellets and technique seems to be a key issue because they are the things you can control.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 22, 2016, 07:34:30 PM
I can't comment on your shooting as such cause it seems you're up and running,all I feel I can say is 'the more you shoot,the better you get'.

 In reference to your comments about AO scopes- about parallax, or to put it crudely-focus. We don't know what your scope is focused at-so for you to work this out it's quite simple, set your rifle on something stable so it can't move around ,then without touching the rifle look at what's in the crosshair and move your head about, you'll see all the image shift about. Do this at various ranges until you find where the crosshair doesn't move and this is the 'focus range' or where it's said to be parallax free. It can change at different magnifications.

 Your px can be reset manually but it can be fiddley or a downright pain if you're not used to such things.But that's another story.. 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on November 22, 2016, 07:50:52 PM
Thats not too shabby mate. Like nic said keep up with the practice and you'll get there. Or get a pcp hit pellet on pellet end up bored senseless then put the rifle in the cupboard for a few years  ::) i stopped going to my local club down to these facts. I need to give my head a wobble and get down there more often with a springer and only take the pcp's to check its performance. Keep at it mate.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 22, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
I echo what has already been said.......your targets cards are improving every time, so you are certainly making positive progress. ;) 8)


As to some of your comments......

Adjusting your scope too often is counter productive, as tweaking the turrets will only confuse matters.

Don't re-zero when/if you change pellets.....much better to settle on which is the best performing pellet for your rifle, zero for those, and then leave it alone. If then changing brands, just learn to compensate and 'aim-off' instead of re-zeroing.  However, IMHO, once the best pellet has been found I don't see the point of using anything else, as it's not going to be as good as with your favoured pellet anyway. ;)



Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on November 22, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
Them orkshire people like to use cheep lead tha nars  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 23, 2016, 12:35:48 AM
Them orkshire people like to use cheep lead tha nars  ;D
Too right, roofing lead, melted down into .44 balls ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on November 23, 2016, 08:05:41 AM
Haha they must be similar round my way even the churches have tin flashings on now  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 25, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
The pressure is on, guys (and gals? (Did I seems a bit "Saville" there?)); a mate of mine has offered me a permission!!!!

So, as he wants bunnies clearing I've told him I'll be round in the Spring. I've given myself 3 to 4 months to get to a level where I can be useful.

My plan was to go to the range this evening but the roads are "f*cking mental" (this is a quote from a bloke in the office, not the girl who does traffic reports on Capital Radio) apparently.

Damn you, Black Friday!!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 25, 2016, 03:51:01 PM
Offered a permission ehh......that's bloody brilliant!!

I would hazard a guess a lot of the bunny shooting would be from the standing stance, and maybe kneeling too.......so lots of practice at doing those would advantageous. Are you able to shoot in the back garden Blerk?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 25, 2016, 03:54:11 PM
NIMBY or, to put it another way, Not In My Back Garden............ unfortunately.

I'm thinking that wind is going to be an issue.

I'm hoping that I might be able to get a permission from a local farmer I know and do some "field target" practice before I move up to live targets.

And I shall continue to try to get into the local HFT club.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 25, 2016, 03:55:31 PM
And I suppose BASA or BASC membership would be advisable...........?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 25, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Does BASA even exist any more?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 25, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
NIMBY or, to put it another way, Not In My Back Garden............ unfortunately.

I'm hoping that I might be able to get a permission from a local farmer

Can you use the land of the permission you've already been granted to practice on?

Yes, some sort of insurance is advisable.....there's a thread about it on here somewhere as there's a few to choose from.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 25, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Great news getting a permission Blerk.Absolutely ideal. :)

 It might be a good idea to check out the land as soon as possible,get really familiar with it and practise your stalking,it could be that there's some opportunities where you can shoot real close range and just leave the others till your confidence slowly creeps up with experience.

At the risk of getting shouted down..
 There's a lot of  bottychelping on forums and utube etc where people are claiming to shoot vermin cleanly40 - 50yards with springers-it's ballax,the average sensible springer guy will more likely be shooting 20 -30 yards or so, the more talented which are few and far between might be pushing 40yards on a exceptionally good day-.
 Stalking skills and patience will reap cleaner rewards than shooting ability. So get cracking and keep your range down.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on November 25, 2016, 10:01:19 PM
With all the rabbits, you will have to check out the planet airgun cook book http://planetairgun.com/index.php?board=31.0
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 02, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
A quick update before I head to the range this evening. (I haven't had time to post before now as Christmas takes a lot of time up (no, I am NOT Santa) and my birthday swallowed up 3 days because of food, drink and days away.)

So, I am resolved to use JSB Exact Jumbo Diablo pellets and I'm sticking at 30 yards. I figure that if I keep those constant any improvement I can claim as my own (I'll have to see if I can think of something to blame if I get worse!!!).

I didn't have much time last Friday so I haven't got much to share. I was trying to keep my "stance" (seated and trying to minimise my use of the rest for my forward hand) consistent.

Here's my first target :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161126_191844_zpsf4d7skva.jpg)

Notice that it's a little "low" overall? Maybe even a little to the right?

I'm not fiddling with the scope settings until I've proved that this is a consistent result.

Here's a second target :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161128_095010_zpshmluh9rf.jpg)

Some more looking "low and right". Perhaps this is a pattern .......................

Here's my final target to share for the session :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161126_141626_zps7tmc9hdu.jpg)

Low and right again (I was aiming for his torso!).

So, what did I learn last week (time for a list again!)?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on December 02, 2016, 08:38:05 PM
You started off well,i would like to see some consistent groups any where on the target rather than the broad spread you are getting.May be go closer to see the difference. :)

 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 03, 2016, 10:24:07 AM
Is your 'hold' of the rifle consistent from previous sessions? If you're possibly gripping the rifle tighter with your hands it can't naturally recoil as much, and will print low. That could be (but not sayIng it is) the reason.

Personally I always try to 'rest' the rifle in my leading hand rather than gripping it....doing that tightened up my groups no end. 8)


Consistency is the key to accurate shooting........both from the equipment AND it's user.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 06, 2016, 04:40:04 PM
-You can make your own Shoot-N-C targets.   You need cheap construction paper, cheap black paint, and cheap clear packing tape.   It's vital to buy the lowest quality of each "ingredient".

@Barry : I've made my own "Shoot-N-C" target. It's only a prototype so I'll be improving on it if the materials work (although I'll definitely be changing the paint, the spray can I used was utter rubbish and barely usuable!!!)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161205_164000_zpspr0ipzhf.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 06, 2016, 04:58:05 PM
So, last Friday.

The usual "regime"; a little plinking (got the bell at 35 yards twice in 10 shots then quit while I was ahead) and then onto the targets.

Target 1:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161202_214846_zps52xmi1gj.jpg)

Some not too bad, some not great.

@Gambo : I'm beginning to think that my grip on the stock is inconsistent and this may be a significant issue. I'll have to consider this more next time I'm at the range.

Target 2:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161202_214827_zpsjspzorko.jpg)

Notice the two "rogue" shots well below their targets? Is it grip issues or could it be caused by pellet seating? Or could it be the nut behind the butt?

Target 3:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161202_214757_zpsxaivf41f.jpg)

I like this one but appreciate that it could be better.

Target 4:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161202_214619_zpsmwirsp2p.jpg)

Two more shots very low under their intended targets (1 and 5). Hmmm...........

So, clearly still a  lot of work to do............

It's list time!

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 06, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
If it's dieseling (note spelling ;)) there will be a burning oil smell along with a wisp of white/blue smoke in the barrel after each shot. This signifies that grease is being spontaneously ignited in the compression chamber by the high pressure (and therefore heat) generated in front of the piston. If the dieseling is not excessive, it will probably rectify itself as the excess grease is burned away by repeated shooting (it may take a tin or two of pellets!). If the dieseling is very severe the rifle may need to be stripped down for all the grease ahead of the piston seal to be thoroughly cleaned out.

The need for pellet seating in a spring rifle is dictated by the rifle/pellet combination....some of my rifles don't need the pellets to be seated by anything more than my thumb, but on some others I need to use a seating tool. When I do need to employ a seating tool, I use a small plastic one given away free in Airgun World magazine many moons ago.

Looking at your groups and also reading your comments, I think the problem with your wide grouping is most likely inconsistency (as your point of impacts, [POI's] are themselves inconsistent, with pellet holes randomly showing high, low, left and right etc).........whether that is inconsistency of hold, or trigger technique (or even both) I can't say, without actually watching you shoot.

If I may respectfully offer some advice..... :)

I would suggest asking an experienced spring powered airgun shooter at the club to have a go with your rifle to see if the grouping then becomes consistent and tighter when they use it. If it does, you know the 'problem' lies with your technique, and not the fault of the rifle or pellets etc. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 06, 2016, 08:36:44 PM
Not to muddy the waters but,  some rifles don't like being shot with any support apart from the shooter's body mass. Typical example being something like a bsa lightning. Shot with the fore end supported on my palm whilst resting on a soft bag would give the odd flyer and large groups of say e.g 1'' at 25 yards -but when sat/slumped in my favourite vaguely hft style seated position , would produce groups nearly half the size.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 06, 2016, 10:42:30 PM
Dieseling could be the couse of the inconstancy, as gambo said get an experienced springer shooter to have a go with your rifle
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 07, 2016, 07:59:00 AM
If I may respectfully offer some advice..... :)

Please do, that's what I'm here for............

I would suggest asking an experienced spring powered airgun shooter at the club to have a go with your rifle to see if the grouping then becomes consistent and tighter when they use it. If it does, you know the 'problem' lies with your technique, and not the fault of the rifle or pellets etc. ;)

I think you're right. I'll ask Brian to throw a few down the range and see if he can offer any advice.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 07, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
..........some rifles don't like being shot with any support apart from the shooter's body mass.

Interesting. The range doesn't really accommodate  being slumped on the floor but I shall tinker with my stance to see if I can discover something that produces more consistent results.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 07, 2016, 08:08:14 AM
Dieseling could be the couse of the inconstancy............

Really? Is there ANYTHING that DOESN'T affect consistency?

You'll be telling me that the weather is a factor next!!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 07, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
Dieseling could be the couse of the inconstancy............

Really? Is there ANYTHING that DOESN'T affect consistency?

You'll be telling me that the weather is a factor next!!!!
Well, the temp will affect springers, warm weather thins the grease allowing the piston to move faster, cold weather will thicken the grease, slowing the piston but this might be offset by the fact cold air is denser so more air goes into the compression chamber, if your gun has ultra fine machining tolerances then the warm weather could couse the metal to expand and pinch components, wind affects consistency, altitude/barometric pressure and temp affect consistency as the higher you go the thinner the air gets (less air goes in to the compression chamber) same thing with air temp (warm air is thinner) rain in all it's forms will affect where the pellet lands, some scopes are affected by temp.
It would be easyer to list all the things that don't affect accuracy and consistency
Hope this hasn't dampened your enthusiasm  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 07, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
Well, the temp will affect springers, warm weather thins the grease allowing the piston to move faster, cold weather will thicken the grease, slowing the piston but this might be offset by the fact cold air is denser so more air goes into the compression chamber, if your gun has ultra fine machining tolerances then the warm weather could couse the metal to expand and pinch components, wind affects consistency, altitude/barometric pressure and temp affect consistency as the higher you go the thinner the air gets (less air goes in to the compression chamber) same thing with air temp (warm air is thinner) rain in all it's forms will affect where the pellet lands, some scopes are affected by temp.
It would be easyer to list all the things that don't affect accuracy and consistency
Hope this hasn't dampened your enthusiasm  ;D

Smartarse!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 07, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 07, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Also, the warmer/thinner the air, the faster and easier time the pellet will have flying through it.

Likewise the opposite is true with colder/denser air.


Don't get hung-up on it though, as you can't change the situation, but just be aware that when trying to print tight groups at long range, varying weather conditions can have an effect on results, albeit slight.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 07, 2016, 10:11:37 PM
The 'weather' is fairly consistent in the range: bloody freezing!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 07, 2016, 10:41:52 PM
The 'weather' is fairly consistent in the range: bloody freezing!
Even in doors there can be a micro climate, at my old club if you shot near the wall (lane 1) in the indoor range in summer it could be 5-7 deg C warmer than lane 6 just a few yards away, in the winter it was a lot cooler.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 12, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
My eductaion needs a boost; I have a question about AO scopes.

If I am short-sighted and use the eyebell focus to ensure that the reticle is sharp is is "valid" to use the AO focus/paralax correction to bring the target into sharp focus?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 12, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
Absolutely, Yes.

Scopes are made to be adjustable because everyone's eyesight is different.....do whatever you need to get it to work for you.

I too am shortsighted, and adjust all my scopes exactly as you've mentioned.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 12, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
My eductaion needs a boost; I have a question about AO scopes.

If I am short-sighted and use the eyebell focus to ensure that the reticle is sharp is is "valid" to use the AO focus/paralax correction to bring the target into sharp focus?
You've focused the scope using the eyebell (scope off the rifle quickly bring up the scope to your eye while facing a blank wall or sky) you should only look through the scope for a few seconds while focusing otherwise your eye will focus on the wrong thing, after you have finished focusing the scope fit on to the rifle making sure you have the correct eye relief (your head is not to close or faraway) now when you look at your target the cross hairs will be in fouces but the target might be slightly blurry, now use the parallax to bring the target into sharp relief, if the parallax is calibrated it will give you a rough idea how faraway the target is.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 12, 2016, 08:39:07 PM
Oh dear.

I'm trying to avoid the arms race and keep things as basic as possible but I think I may have to invest in an AO scope.

I wear bifocal contact lens and their performance can vary quite a lot throughout the day (I've certainly struggled to keep the target in focus) so I'm thinking that I will be able to compensate for them quickly with an AOL scope.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 13, 2016, 07:11:13 PM
Does anyone have anything good/bad to say about the BSA Essential 4-12x44 AO scope?

And would my existing mounts work with it? (My existing scope is a BSA Essential 3-9x50 with a 30mm tube diameter rather than 25mm like the scope I'm looking at.)

Onto last weekend's session at the range.

Firstly; @Barry in IN : I tried my homemade Shoot-n-C target and it was nearly very good. It worked but I need to think about how to mark the targets on it because the lines were too big (my stencil was a toy tractor's wheel). So I'll persevere.

I started, as usual, with a little plinking and then onto the targets.

Target 1:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161212_180301_zpslq32zsih.jpg)

I thought my plinking shots were tending to go a little low so I gave the scope 5 clicks to correct upwards. Judging by the above target I thought I had overdone it a tad so I gave it two clicks back down.

Target 2:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161212_180339_zpsc6ebfgvy.jpg)

Top left and bottom right were the first groups then top right, bottom left and centre. Whilst  targeting the last three I was adjusting the scope down.

I'm pretty happy with the setting now.

Do you notice the shot that's clipped the top left of the centre target? That's supposed to be in the top right!!!! I think it's the way I'm holding/squeezing the trigger. If I use the tip of my finger I'm prone to shoot too early. If I use the full phalange (yes, it's a real word) my shots are more reliable.

Target 3: (Far more to talk about here)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161212_180319_zps1a9xh99t.jpg)

I think that's better (not perfect, but better).

I struggled throughout with keeping the target in focus.

So, what have I learnt?

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on December 13, 2016, 07:31:37 PM
My Mrs reckons the full fingers better than just the tip  ;D
What pellets are you using ?
Is your breathing consistent?
Are you holding the rifle without any can't?
Are you shouldering the rifle the same each time ?
There seems to be a few flyers there but could be done to any of the above. I need to get myself down to the club to test a few theorys. All this land and not one decent day in ages so needs must really  ;D
Practice does make perfection but don't try to overthink things either just stick at it and enjoy yourself  :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 13, 2016, 08:21:26 PM
''My Mrs reckons the full fingers better than just the tip  ;D''    :) ;D.

 If you tell us how much your prepared to spend on a scope ,I'm sure between us all we can suggest something suitable for your needs which maybe less expensive than you might think..
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 13, 2016, 08:30:47 PM
My Mrs reckons the full fingers better than just the tip  ;D
What pellets are you using ?
Is your breathing consistent?
Are you holding the rifle without any can't?
Are you shouldering the rifle the same each time ?
There seems to be a few flyers there but could be done to any of the above. I need to get myself down to the club to test a few theorys. All this land and not one decent day in ages so needs must really  ;D
Practice does make perfection but don't try to overthink things either just stick at it and enjoy yourself  :)

Women, eh?

I'm sticking with JSBs, they've felt like the best since I started.

And I think I'm breathing OK, shouldering consistently and cantless but I suspect that I could easily miss a breath or a cant occasionally.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 13, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
Oh! And I'm definitely enjoying it.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 13, 2016, 08:34:22 PM
If you tell us how much your prepared to spend on a scope ,I'm sure between us all we can suggest something suitable for your needs which maybe less expensive than you might think..

Well, I'm not made of money and I don't see the point in spending a fortune when I could still be crap with the best kit in the world so how about  ....... 80 quid?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 13, 2016, 08:59:03 PM
Just a few points before we get the ball rolling.
 1 The smaller the objective lens, the greater depth of field.
 2 The less magnification used the greater depth of field.
 3 Most scopes objective lenses will actually alter the point of impact when rotated due to the shortcomings of construction as will altering the magnification.

 Personally ,if I wanted a scope dedicated to hunting with a 22 springer, I'd be looking for something which I can set the magnification for a wide field and also set the focus/ao at a distance where everthing is legible between 10 and 30 yards, this can also be used an an indication of range ,which is handy.So at 10 it looks abit blurry ,at 25 yards it's sharp then at 30-35 yards it's softening in to a blur again.The benefit of this is that anything that is distinguishable can be shot at woth no holdover/under.Just point and shoot.No need to adjust anything scope wise when set up.

 The scope you have now can be set up to do this but you would have to bite the bullet and reparalx/focus it using manual methods then set the magnification somewhere between 4 and 6.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 13, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
If your current scope has a 30mm tube, but the one you are considering has a 25mm tube, then you will need to get 25mm mounts to suit the new scope.

I've owned and used (at the club) a few BSA scopes over the years, and I have to say they are unremarkable in both their performance and build quality . By that I mean they are not brilliant, but not particularly bad either.

However, a few club members have experienced reticle problems (broken and coming loose/rotating) when mounted on springers, even though the blurb on the box ensures they are spring gun rated. :(

Personally, I wouldn't buy another BSA branded scope, instead I'd prefer to choose a model from either Hawke or Nikko Sterling, as I reckon the overall quality from those brands is superior for a similarly priced product.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 13, 2016, 09:21:14 PM
Not long ago I bought abasic  hawke vantage 4x40, cost around £45 , the glass is better in everyway than on my old trusty 10x40 bushnell elite which cost x5.

 A scope for £60 I'd be interested in for hunting and plinking would be a Hawke Vantage 2-7x32 AO Rifle Scope .http://www.uttings.co.uk/p121296-hawke-vantage-2-7x32-ao-rifle-scope/#.WFBk3Wd75-U .
 They also do a version with an illuminated crosshair but...
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 13, 2016, 10:16:16 PM
Yep, that's exactly the type of scope (Hawke Vantage 2-7x32 AO) that appeals to me nowadays.....summat simple, uncluttered, with everything you need, but nothing you don't.


One of my current faves is the Nikko Sterling 6x40AO Mountmaster >> http://www.uttings.co.uk/p103147-nikko-stirling-mountmaster-6x40-ao-rifle-scope/#.WFBynLmLXfc

Bloody brilliant scope for the money, even if it was twice the price!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 13, 2016, 10:44:11 PM
Less is more ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 13, 2016, 10:51:55 PM
Less is more ;) :)

Apparently not. Rabbit Sniper's missis likes FULL fingers.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on December 14, 2016, 07:13:12 AM
She's greedy. She also likes mullbery handbags but she won't be getting those from me either lol  ;D
I'm getting that hawke vantage for the hw97k  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on December 14, 2016, 08:14:30 AM
I,ve fitted a Hawke Vantage 2-7x32 AO to my springer and, I have to say, it,s a cracking little scope.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 14, 2016, 07:08:23 PM
I've got a few Hawke Airmax 2-7x32AO scopes, and those are cracking too.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 15, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
Given that I need to replace my mounts (I seem to have bought the only scope that's got a 30mm tube!) how does this look?

http://www.tacticalscope.co.uk/nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-16x50-parallax-ao-rifle-scope-with-38---11mm-dovetail-mount-rings-3995-p.asp
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on December 15, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
I can see them ok.

Try your zero closer in at say 15 yards first to get the groups tighter & the feel of the gun.

I think the Superdomes in mine were a bit tight in the breach & ended up using some old H&N FTT that i had.

To check the pellet fit put one in as normal & close the barrel,then re open it while being careful not to pull the trigger.De -cock the rifle so you can safely look at the breach & see the pellet skirt.
Mine were partly sheared so a pellet change was needed.

If your consistent low & right simply change the scope settings until your on. :)

With .22 I'd try it at 10 yards first then the second zero should be at 30 yards, just in case you didn't already know.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 15, 2016, 07:20:25 PM
Given that I need to replace my mounts (I seem to have bought the only scope that's got a 30mm tube!) how does this look?

http://www.tacticalscope.co.uk/nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-16x50-parallax-ao-rifle-scope-with-38---11mm-dovetail-mount-rings-3995-p.asp

I've got two of these fitted to PCPs.........decent enough all round/low light hunting scope for the money, but depending on your point of view maybe a bit overkill for a springer, especially if you intend to mainly shoot at paper or tin targets. Just my opinion, others may disagree. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 16, 2016, 08:26:39 AM
especially if you intend to mainly shoot at paper or tin targets.

Well, my plan is to stick to plinking and paper targets for now. I'd like to move on to HFT/FT and eventually (when the weather is better and I feel confident enough) get a permission or two to go out and get some wabbits.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on December 16, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Take your time and build up the skills, you really need to be able to shoot consistently without to much thinking before throwing a whole new set of challenges at yourself going after live quarry.

For what it's worth I really like the Hawke SR6 Christmas tree style reticule, don't know if they still make them but I assume so.

 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 19, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
There was carnage at the range on Sunday :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161219_115456_zps3wjw5nvh.jpg)

I'll not bother posting pics of my targets, suffice to say that my shots are still falling a little low with an occassional "what the bloody Hell happened there?" type of shot which falls a good 1 to 2 inches low (yes, Rabbit Sniper, I realise your Missus wouldn't consider 1 to 2 inches to be "good").

I'm going into a Christmas break period now so I'll not be back to the range for a few weeks. In that time I'm going to invest in a new scope and I think it'll be one of these http://www.tacticalscope.co.uk/nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-16x50-parallax-ao-rifle-scope-with-38---11mm-dovetail-mount-rings-3995-p.asp (http://www.tacticalscope.co.uk/nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-16x50-parallax-ao-rifle-scope-with-38---11mm-dovetail-mount-rings-3995-p.asp). @Gambo - I "hear what you're saying" but the price of this scope is right for me and I think it'll address my eyesight issues now and be useful if/when I get into the field.

During my downtime I plan on making a few more "Shoot-n-See" style targets and reading up a bit more on the very basics of .22 air-gunning.

Apart from this wonderful Planet do any of the residents have any good sources of online material (not porn, I can find that myself!) for a beginner?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 01:12:38 PM
I've just bought one of these :

http://www.uttings.co.uk/p103341-nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-12x50-ao-ir-rifle-scope/#.WFp9aOCLSM8

I got it from http://allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/areas/Air%20Rifles%20Sheffield.html (http://allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/areas/Air%20Rifles%20Sheffield.html). "Big up" to Mike and Pat, nice couple.

And after they agreed to take my old scope in part-ex I've paid £40. Fitted too.

I'll have to do a bit of zeroing next time I'm at the range.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
after they agreed to take my old scope in part-ex I've paid £40.

Can you remind what scope you already had please Blerk?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 03:42:45 PM
Can you remind what scope you already had please Blerk?

It was a BSA MD 3-9x50 WR Essencial.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 03:50:51 PM
Ahhh, I remember now, thank you. ;)

What was the ticket price on the Nikko Blerk?


I said in a previous post that I had two of those scopes, but upon checking the other night I realised the model I have is the 4-16x50AO 'Game King' and not the Mountmaster as you've bought.

However, apart from the names, my Game King and your Mountmaster look absolutely identical to each other as far as I can tell, so I suspect Nikko simply added a set of mounts into the deal so they could then change the name and instantly have another/different model of scope to sell.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 03:57:20 PM
Ticket price was £58.

Given that I only have one gun and can't be arsed with any sort of hassle I thought £18 for my BSA scope was decent.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
I only have one gun

Hopefully that situation won't last.........and soon you'll have caught the bug and have a whole cupboardful of 'em!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
I'll have to get cupboard space first.

And the missus doesn't give up storage space easily.

I'm always getting knocked back when I try to get into her drawers.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on December 21, 2016, 05:35:09 PM
HeHe very good Blerk  :)

What you need is a 'naughty box' and no thats not innuendo ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
innuendo

That's a Spanish suppository isn't it?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 05:52:52 PM
I'm always getting knocked back when I try to get into her drawers.

Does everyone have that problem, or only you? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 21, 2016, 06:01:25 PM
innuendo

That's a Spanish suppository isn't it?
I know that a gambo is a welsh sheeps suppository :o :P
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 06:15:18 PM
Ha ha! Priceless!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 07:15:23 PM
Priceless!

Correct. :)

The sperm of a Welshman is very very highly prized, especially by english women, who value it's potency and quality beyond all other's, most of all that of the so called 'men' of their own insignificant and spineless country.  The english stuff is said to be vile, weak, watery, useless and apparently tastes 'orrible....so Yes, to an english bint, Welsh spunk is priceless! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 21, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
Well, my missus only drinks decaffeinated so I'm OK.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 21, 2016, 08:05:22 PM
Welsh spunk only produces beta males with little if any self respect, what other possible reason could there be for a so called ''country'' ::) to allow itself to be governed by the  English master race.Just saying.. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on December 21, 2016, 08:07:00 PM
Ahem :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 21, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
      You've no reason to smirk,you're lot are even worse.

  Anyway i'll leave it at that , as you know,I'm not one to cause offence.     
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 21, 2016, 10:13:14 PM
governed by the  English master race.

Just like the Americans, the bloody english think they are masters of everything.....yet the only true Brit is a Welshman, as we've never been conquered by anyone........the Vikings, Romans or Normans, like what you lot have!!

Even the Scots have been governed............most recently by Nicola Sturgeon Jimmy Krankie!! Fandabbydozy. >>>>

(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Nicola-Sturgeon-krankie.jpg)

(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/893000/620x/Nicola-Jim-463550.jpg)



Yep, us Welsh are pure, we are, like. There's lovely now, isn't it, like. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 21, 2016, 11:44:17 PM
governed by the  English master race.

Just like the Americans, the bloody english think they are masters of everything.....
we English don't think, we know we're masters of everything!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 22, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
Yeah OK. ::) ::)


Blerkyboy's thread has gone slightly off topic, which is very unusual on this Planet. ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 22, 2016, 10:31:45 AM
Blerkyboy's thread has gone slightly off topic

I had thought that myself, then I remembered that this thread is about my "journey" (sorry, I went a bit "X Factor" there) into the world of airgunning; my experiences, thoughts, lessons learned, the culture and (hopefully) progress. How can the inferiority of the Welsh fish in the gene pool relate to that? They have experiences, tho... err... err.., they l... no, Welsh people have a ..... No, sorry, it's definitely off topic.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 22, 2016, 08:28:45 PM

  Nicola Sturgeon , would you ?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 22, 2016, 11:12:27 PM

  Nicola Sturgeon , would you ?

Who says that I haven't?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 22, 2016, 11:44:10 PM

  Nicola Sturgeon , would you ?

Who says that I haven't?
So your admitting to doing a tarted up old trout? :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 23, 2016, 08:02:01 AM
So your admitting to doing a tarted up old trout? :o

Sorry, I got confused. It's Jimmy Krankie that I had.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 23, 2016, 08:23:39 AM
So your admitting to doing a tarted up old trout?

C'mon now, lets be honest.........who hasn't at sometime in their life!! :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 23, 2016, 09:49:23 AM
So your admitting to doing a tarted up old trout?

It's almost like you know my ex-wife!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 23, 2016, 12:30:28 PM
You all missed the joke, sturgeon is a fish ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 23, 2016, 01:01:51 PM
That was a joke!?!??!?!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on December 23, 2016, 01:34:18 PM
That was a joke!?!??!?!
In case you haven't noticed that was one of the better jokes that's on this forum :-[
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on December 23, 2016, 01:37:19 PM
So your admitting to doing a tarted up old trout?

C'mon now, lets be honest.........who hasn't at sometime in their life!! :-\
I have. Stunk like a fish - nearly broke my neck with the recoil.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 23, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
In case you haven't noticed that was one of the better jokes that's on this forum

Oh contraire Uggers, there's a much better joke than that on here. ;)




It's called .177 ::) :P ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 23, 2016, 04:22:38 PM
''I have. Stunk like a fish - nearly broke my neck with the recoil''  but I bet you still poked her yer dirty bastard. Just saying .. ;) ;D.
 Old biddys flanges are like pork pies-once you've worked your way through the crust, you've got to scrape the jelly off to get to the meat. ::) :). Nasty.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 23, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Some might say one closing up is just as good as one opening up!! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 23, 2016, 05:03:26 PM
Some might but most wouldn't :).
 My mate Baz at work the other week was flashed by an old biddy, she must have been in her late 60's,tits around her knees-they were like frying pans around her waiste. We delivered her a recliner 3str and chair, we got her chair in and while I'm on my knees bolting the 3 str together, she's sat down with her legs open showing her shaved minge to my mate, he described it as being ''like a bald mole rat,yawning''  :D ;D.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on December 23, 2016, 05:37:31 PM
You vulgar lot  :-[
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 23, 2016, 05:45:02 PM
You're right, they're a disgrace. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on January 01, 2017, 12:30:46 PM

  Nicola Sturgeon , would you ?

Not with yours!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 02, 2017, 10:36:07 AM
This may seem like pure stupidity but I'm going to try to go back "on topic". I know, I've as much chance of success as King Canute trying to keep his feet dry but here goes.

I managed to sneak in a trip to the range on Friday.

I tipped up at the usual time of 5:45pm and the place was packed! Literally none of the SIXTEEN lanes were free and there were four or five people waiting before I got there. Now, if I had not just driven 20 miles (including 15 minutes in a jam on the M18 because of a three/four car crash) to get there I may have turned around and gone home. But I had done the drive and there's always someone to chat to or something to watch and learn from while you're not shooting so I waited.

It's probably a Christmas thing but there was a lot of new, shiny kit on show and that might have contributed to the high numbers.

I had a word with Brian (the "founding father" of the range) for a bit of advice about setting up my new scope. "Starting at 10 yards zero it in, move to 20 yards, zero again, move to 30 yards and zero again," he said.

So, once I had a lane that's exactly what I did.

Now, there was a LOT of trial and error going on and I spent a LONG time shooting yellow-painted, metal targets before I felt I was there or thereabouts. But I have to say that the new scope appears to be doing exactly what I wanted it to do; I can get decent focus on the target even with my crappy eyesight.

I only really put one target up that and here it is:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161230_223622_zpselp6gutf.jpg)

The centre target was as I was beginning to zero the scope for 30 yards.
Top-left and bottom-right were after a little fine-tuning.
Bottom-left after a little more and, finally, top-right after I felt I was about there.

There was also a significant level of carnage:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161230_223945_zpst3zj6k2m.jpg)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20161230_224003_zps7re5fytl.jpg)

@Gambo; previously you said:

I would suggest asking an experienced spring powered airgun shooter at the club to have a go with your rifle

Brian asked how I was getting on and if I liked my rifle. I said that I liked it but couldn't compare it to anything because I've not got the experience but I asked if he'd like to put some pellets down it. He accepted and, after a dozen or so shots, declared that it was "a nice gun" and "is pretty accurate" and my eyesight is clearly as bad as his because my scope was focused quite closely to his own requirements.

I'm pretty pleased with this assessment because (a) Brian knows more about air rifles than I think i will ever know and (b) it means I haven't bought a piece of crap so I only have myself to blame.

Highlight of the evening:
Do you recall I mentioned that there's a metal plate at 38 yards with an 8mm hole in it and a bell behind?
Someone hit it.
"Was that you with that springer?" shouts Brian.
"No," says I.
"Oh, you're not as good a shot as I thought then," he says.
I took the bait hook, line and sinker.
My first shot hit the plate.
I adjusted my aim to compensate.
My second shot hit the bell!
"But THAT was me," I told him.
And with that I quit while I was ahead, packed up my gear, wished everyone a "Happy New Year" and headed home.

And with that sentiment in mind; Happy New Year to all the Planeteers! I hope 2017 is a year that you'll look back on and think "That went well".
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 10:49:11 AM
Ding ding, seconds out round two.....or maybe you were saved by the bell!! :D

Great to hear it went well with the new scope Blerk, and that Brian was happy with the accuracy of your kit.

The top-right zero target is pretty decent, maybe a click or two high, but a tight group at the aimpoint, also the L-R looks spot-on. ;)

So, if you and Brian are happy with the set-up, the only thing left to do now is practice practice practice, then practice some more, even if it's at shorter range in the garden if you can manage it, or even just practicing a consistent hold and trigger release (without actually shooting) when indoors. Don't forget, consistent repetition is the key to accurate springer shooting. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 02, 2017, 10:50:31 AM

     Epic post Blerkyboy,good stuff.

 It looks like your heading in the right direction :).
 Having someone like Brian shoot your rifle and confirming it's ok  I bet has removed any doubts you may have had about it. I wonder if he could have a shoot with some of mine ;D.

  Your shootings come along way since you first started. Glad your getting to grips with it all.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 02, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
practicing a consistent hold

I think that changing my scope has actually helped in this regard as the "eye relief" (is that the correct phrase for the distance from my eye to the scope?) has changed so I needed to find the right position again. It was a little like going back to basics at first but I felt that I knew what I was looking for.

And I am very happy to keep practicing, it's certainly not a chore.

Epic post Blerkyboy,good stuff.

It looks like your heading in the right direction :).

Having someone like Brian shoot your rifle and confirming it's ok  I bet has removed any doubts you may have had about it. I wonder if he could have a shoot with some of mine ;D.

Your shootings come along way since you first started. Glad your getting to grips with it all.

Eye thang yew.

Yes, I realise now that it's all down to me and practice. I'm a workman that cannot blame my tool (off topic risk there?).

Wakefield isn't a million miles away from Doncaster and I'd recommend visiting the range to everyone. I'm sure that if Brian's on site he'll use some of your pellets up for you.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 02, 2017, 11:40:00 AM
This covers eye relief comprehensively ,try and watch it from start to finish. You'll know more about it than most do then.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoEjh7LXRM
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 02, 2017, 01:44:33 PM

Wakefield isn't a million miles away from Doncaster and I'd recommend visiting the range to everyone. I'm sure that if Brian's on site he'll use some of your pellets up for you.
Next time your going to the Doncaster club give me a yell, I will bring a few of my air rifles and pistols for you to ave a go with.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 04:42:24 PM
"eye relief" ........is that the correct phrase for the distance from my eye to the scope?

Yes it is. ;)

The way I check it is to shoulder the rifle and take aim at something imaginary with my eyes closed, then being conscious not to move the rifle or my head position, open my eyes and see if I've got a full and clear sight picture........a crisp image all the way to the edges of the circle (which itself should be sharp) without any dark or blurry patches. If you need to adjust your head fore or aft to achieve a clear crisp image, then the eye relief is personally incorrect for you....but if all is well, happy days. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 02, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
And do the above on the magnification you use the most,otherwise that will alter the distance as well.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 04:56:16 PM
Just noticed that Blerky's last pics remind me of the opening scenes from 'Saving Private Ryan'. :-\

Dunno if I'm getting soft in my old age, but it's just so horrific I can't bring myself to watch it without getting choked-up.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 02, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 02, 2017, 05:13:47 PM
Watching the film or looking at blerks target  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 05:16:02 PM
The film obviously ::).....unless you're trying to imply that Blerky's targets are horrific to look at? :o :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 02, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Well the films never choked me up  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
Ooooooh, you're a hard man Rab!! :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 02, 2017, 05:45:13 PM
Shhh  ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 02, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
Blerky's thread is going off topic yet again.....now STOP IT you lot!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 02, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
 
 Err , I wonder who it was who dragged us off topic in the first place?  Now your telling us off as though we are responsible for it.The cheak of the man...
.

 Anyway it's not an issue. ::)

    :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 02, 2017, 07:55:58 PM
Watching the film or looking at blerks target  ;D

Cheeky bugger!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 02, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 03, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
And do the above on the magnification you use the most,otherwise that will alter the distance as well.

So magnification affects the distance of eye relief?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 03, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
Just noticed that Blerky's last pics remind me of the opening scenes from 'Saving Private Ryan'. :-\

Dunno if I'm getting soft in my old age, but it's just so horrific I can't bring myself to watch it without getting choked-up.

First time I tried to watch that film I had to stop it after 10 minutes, it was exhausting. I went back to it a few months later and manged to get through it all. Great film.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 03, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
First time I tried to watch that film I had to stop it after 10 minutes, it was exhausting. I went back to it a few months later and manged to get through it all. Great film.

I've just read that back and thought I should clarify that I'm referring to "Saving Private Ryan" and not "Naughty MILFs at Work III".
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 03, 2017, 11:26:29 AM
First time I tried to watch that film I had to stop it after 10 minutes, it was exhausting. I went back to it a few months later and manged to get through it all. Great film.

I've just read that back and thought I should clarify that I'm referring to "Saving Private Ryan" and not "Naughty MILFs at Work III".
Are you sure it wasn't shaving Ryan's private's :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 03, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
''So magnification affects the distance of eye relief?''  yes, because it alters the focal length. Watch the video link that's pasted up somewhere previously..pls.  ::) ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 03, 2017, 08:35:54 PM
And do the above on the magnification you use the most,otherwise that will alter the distance as well.

So magnification affects the distance of eye relief?

Yep.

Also, adjusting the eyebell on a fixed mag scope to set the reticle focus will alter the magnification slightly too.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 04, 2017, 10:03:07 AM
Watch the video link that's pasted up somewhere previously..pls.  ::) ;) :)

I got a chance to watch the video last night. I'll have to watch it again and, possibly, a third time as there were bits that I found difficult to take on board but I'm beginning to see how things interact.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 04, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
Use your existing scope mate  ;) they add on easily
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 04, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
Use your existing scope mate  ;) they add on easily

I see. I thought it would be a replacement for a scope but it's not, it's an appendage.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 04, 2017, 04:48:27 PM
You just add them onto the eyeball of the scope. Some are scoreless dedicated nv like the pitch black units.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 05, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Next time your going to the Doncaster club give me a yell, I will bring a few of my air rifles and pistols for you to ave a go with.

@Airgunnut : I normally manage to get there for the last couple of hours on Fridays (6pm - 8pm) or first couple on Sunday mornings (10am - 12noon). It's usually a last minute decision though (depends a lot on family/pub commitments).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 05, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
Next time your going to the Doncaster club give me a yell, I will bring a few of my air rifles and pistols for you to ave a go with.

@Airgunnut : I normally manage to get there for the last couple of hours on Fridays (6pm - 8pm) or first couple on Sunday mornings (10am - 12noon). It's usually a last minute decision though (depends a lot on family/pub commitments).
No problem, if you do want to try a few of my airguns and pistols just give me a yell on Saturday night if your going on Sunday ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 05, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
Next time your going to the Doncaster club give me a yell, I will bring a few of my air rifles and pistols for you to ave a go with.

@Airgunnut : I normally manage to get there for the last couple of hours on Fridays (6pm - 8pm) or first couple on Sunday mornings (10am - 12noon). It's usually a last minute decision though (depends a lot on family/pub commitments).
No problem, if you do want to try a few of my airguns and pistols just give me a yell on Saturday night if your going on Sunday ;D

@The General Population of the Planet : Am I being groomed?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on January 05, 2017, 04:03:20 PM
If you are lucky ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 05, 2017, 04:13:07 PM
@The General Population of the Planet : Am I being groomed?

Yes.....but NEVER EVER be tempted by the dark side*.



* otherwise known as weedy seven seven.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 05, 2017, 04:54:26 PM
Next time your going to the Doncaster club give me a yell, I will bring a few of my air rifles and pistols for you to ave a go with.

@Airgunnut : I normally manage to get there for the last couple of hours on Fridays (6pm - 8pm) or first couple on Sunday mornings (10am - 12noon). It's usually a last minute decision though (depends a lot on family/pub commitments).
No problem, if you do want to try a few of my airguns and pistols just give me a yell on Saturday night if your going on Sunday ;D

@The General Population of the Planet : Am I being groomed?
Could be worse, you could be wearing a sheep skin coat near Gambos house :P
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 05, 2017, 05:19:13 PM
Or worse still, a Donkey Jacket in Donky!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 06, 2017, 10:12:24 AM
I've been having a think about a few gaps in my knowledge:

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 06, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
I've been having a think about a few gaps in my knowledge:

  • What's a gas ram gun? How does it differ from PCP/springer?
  • What's rimfire all about?
  • Does anyone shoot darts using airguns and, if so, why?
  • Has air rifle shooting ever been proposed as an Olympic sport?
  • What quarry can you legally hunt using an air rifle (I know of magpies, squirrel and rabbits)?
  • Do people make their own pellets?
A gas ram is a gas strut (bit like the one that helps a boot lid on your car open) but much stronger and faster acting
Rim fire is .22 lr, a powder burner so you need an FAC (firearm certificate)
Dart have steel bits in them so the use of them in rifled barrels is not recommended
Air rifle shooting IS an Olympic sport so is air pistol shooting (rifle and pistol is shot over 10m)
Rats, crows, pigeons, jackdaws, are also on the legal quary list
You can make your own pellets but the molds are expensive and don't have the millions in research and development spent on them like the pellet manufacters do
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 06, 2017, 03:21:15 PM


 Technically ,pheasants are legal quarry , but...
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 06, 2017, 03:31:12 PM
Technically

legal

but...

?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 06, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
I think for some it's rather a mute point.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 06, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
mute

Is that not swans?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 06, 2017, 04:13:56 PM
 :D :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 06, 2017, 10:32:29 PM
Pheasants are game birds , so some one somewhere has taken time and care to raise them. I think it would be bad form to shoot them as a pest. They're bred for sport.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 06, 2017, 11:00:30 PM
There tasty though  ;D I'd never shoot a pheasant unless it was for the pot.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
Pheasants are game birds , so some one somewhere has taken time and care to raise them. I think it would be bad form to shoot them as a pest. They're bred for sport.

Exactly.

The pheasant isn't originally a native of this country, they were introduced specifically as game, so not only has someone taken the time and care to raise them....but buy them too....and they ain't cheap!!

Shotgunners pay thousands of pounds a year for a peg on an estate, which employs Gamekeepers and (sometimes even ) Junior Gamekeepers and other staff to tend to the birds needs two or three times a day (feeding and watering) when they are poults, right up until they are released from the safety of their pens into the countryside. Even then, the Gamekeepers try to keep the birds from straying off the land they were released on, and on shoot days, the estate will hire in 'beaters' to drive the birds towards the guns, and also 'pickers' who have well trained expensive dogs to retrieve the shot birds. Obviously, all this costs a HUGE amount of money and organisation every year, which is why the shotgunning community can get more than a bit miffed if someone comes in and pilfers 'their sport' by shooting 'their' pheasants.

So although shooting (in season) pheasants using an airgun isn't technically illegal (poaching notwithstanding), whether you feel it is actually ethical and fair is another matter.


I would also question if they could actually be shot using 'pests' as a valid reason, because from my understanding of it, they are not on the 'pest' species list (be aware the general licences differ between WALES, Scotland and england).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 11:22:33 AM
Excellent post, Gambo.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 07, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
At my old club there was one bloke who raised pheasants for shoots, after one shoot he asked why the shooters (think they were from down south) hadn't picked up the shot birds, the shooter asked why? The keeper said aren't you going to pick up the pheasants and take them home? The shooter said why would I do that? I payed to shoot them, not pick them up and dispose of them!
The local butcher had a field day when the keeper said do you want any pheasants?
The keeper is a worrier, he was concerned that someone might choke on the small bones in the pheasants legs, so he cut all the legs off, I got them, they were in the pot untill all the meat dropped off them then all the little bones were collected and disposed of, a lot of the fat was skimmed off when it cooled, result was a fantastic stock to use as a base for a stew ;D 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on January 07, 2017, 11:31:08 AM
Rimfire could also be the mighty .17hmr, rimfire allows you to shoot 1) .22lr - heavier bullet (40gr) 2) .17hmr - a very fast round. Both calibres have their place in vermin control.

Small Vermin can be shot with an air rifle on land you have permission on, I would recommend reading up on the BASC site to get the full list of legal quarry.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 11:34:21 AM
Excellent post, Gambo.

Why Thank You Sir......I always aim to please, even if I sometimes miss!! :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 07, 2017, 11:36:28 AM
I still curse a mate who cost me a pheasant, we had just been to a rc flying club, the lane was a long dirt road with lay by/passing points (this track served a few farms) my mate pulled into one of these laybys for some reason, I looked out of the passenger window and said don't move the car! It was at this point he spotted what I was looking at and realised what I was going to do so he quickly put the car into gear and floored it, he had spotted the pheasant that was right beside my passenger door and knew that I was about to open the door sharply to hit and stun the pheasant then I was planing on jumping out of the car and wring the pheasants neck but thanks to his actions the bid pheasant got away >:( >:(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 07, 2017, 11:38:20 AM

Why Thank You Sir......I always aim to please, even if I sometimes miss!! :-\
OI! That's my tag line!! >:(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 11:43:46 AM
We get pheasants wandering in to our gardens after a few grains of bird food.Nice looking birds they are too.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 12:37:37 PM

Why Thank You Sir......I always aim to please, even if I sometimes miss!! :-\
OI! That's my tag line!! >:(

Nah......your tag line is.........Wales is actually in *orkshire!! :P


Nice looking birds they are too.

Originally from the Mongolia/China area of Asia, IIRC.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
Nice looking birds they are too.

Originally from the Mongolia/China area of Asia, IIRC.

And who doesn't like a good-looking Asian bird?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 07, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
He didn't want anyone to choke on the small bones so he gave you all the legs ? Do you think the keeper had a soft spot for you mate  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 04:50:06 PM
  nicely done  ;);D.

 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
@Airgunnut : I'm going to the range tomorrow morning.  I'll be there  10am to about 12noon.  If you'd like to meet up that would be good.  I'll have 1 or 2 of my sons with me as backup/witnesses.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 07, 2017, 05:36:49 PM
@Airgunnut : I'm going to the range tomorrow morning.  I'll be there  10am to about 12noon.  If you'd like to meet up that would be good.  I'll have 1 or 2 of my sons with me as backup/witnesses.
No problem, i will be there.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 06:20:38 PM

 '' I'll have 1 or 2 of my sons with me as backup/witnesses.''

   ;D :)


Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 07:09:39 PM
@Airgunnut : I'm going to the range tomorrow morning.  I'll be there  10am to about 12noon.  If you'd like to meet up that would be good.  I'll have 1 or 2 of my sons with me as backup/witnesses.
No problem, i will be there.

Pics please guys!! ;) :-*
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
Pics please guys!! ;) :-*

I AM being groomed!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
You've already been told that's the case!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on January 07, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
Yeah pics please chap's would be great to update the members mugshot gallery  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
I 've seen some those faces on crimewatch, you being the exception Dave,obviously ::) ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
mugshot gallery

What mugshot gallery?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
 http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=315.0   It's some where hidden within.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 07, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
Pics please guys!! ;) :-*

I AM being groomed!
I'm been set up!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 07, 2017, 08:41:37 PM
Alternatively , a picture or 2 of your equipment instead , might sate Gambo's voracious appetite for that type of thing.  ::) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 08:50:04 PM
Only the wife sees photos of  my equipment.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 07, 2017, 09:11:42 PM
Doesn't she ever get to see it in the flesh then? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 07, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
Doesn't she ever get to see it in the flesh then? :-\ :-\

Good God! No!

I'm shy.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 09, 2017, 09:14:28 PM
Well, this week is a tale of three (two and a half) sessions.

The first tale is simple enough; I got across to the range on Friday evening, had a great session, hit the bull with every single shot!

Unfortunately I can'f find the damn targets! So I suppose I'll just have to summaise with "had a good session, really enjoying the new scope and there was carnage".

I'm going to have to find something else to shoot apart form toy soldiers. Some of the casualties are gruesome and I'm starting to have trouble sleeping at night.

Anyway, onto session two.

I got an extra session in at the range on Sunday morning. Took our youngest lad along with me.

A fellow resident of the planet (@airgunnut) met me there and brought along a fine collection of pistols with him.

Airgunnut and I chatted for a couple of hours and over that time he was good enough to let me fire a few shots with his pistols.

I've not fired a pistol of any sort since I lost my Lone Star spud gun when I eight so these were a bit of an experience.

I have to say that it's a completely different experience/sport to rifle shooting. There was only one of his pieces that I even got close to feeling that I had a chance with. I was a nicely balanced target gun, not too heavy. (@Airgunnut, perhaps you can let the guys know what it is because I can't remember.) I managed to hit a 25cm2 metal plate at 15 yards. Quit while you're ahead time again! Thanks, Airgunnut.

Anyway, while we were chatting and I was completely failing to impress with the pistols my lad's happily throwing pellets down a .177 Air Arms PCP I'd hired.

Do you want to know how he did?

Of course you do.

Here's target one taken at 20yards :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_133135_zpsc4locmsi.jpg)

He started drawing a bloody line after he'd hit the bull too many times!!!!!!

Here's target 2 taken at 30yards :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_133113_zpsvkpku1xo.jpg)

Notice the "wayward" few shots? He tried my .22 springer on that target too.

Here's target 3, also at 30yards :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_133154_zpslwe2sycs.jpg)

I should also mention that he hit "the bell" (8mm hole to a bell at 40 yards) and produced a vast array of "carnage" (pic below).

Now, he's 16 and never shot an air rifle outside of a fun fair until Sunday and look at those targets!

What can we ascertain from this?

Here's the lad's carnage (complete with headshots) :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_205005_zpsrbguyctx.jpg)

He wants to go again.

And so does his brother who missed out on Sunday because of girlfriend commitments.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 09, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
The pistol was a feinwerkbau c10
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 10, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
Hmmmmm, two offspring who want to take up shooting ehh?.............Hey!! that's the perfect excuse to buy more airguns!! 8) 8)


Good to hear you all enjoyed yourselves, and tidy shooting from the nipper! ;)

Yes, great accuracy is certainly more easily attainable from a PCP than it is a springer.....which is why you need to extend the ranges when shooting a PCP for it to become more challenging.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 16, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Well, I got to the range on Friday evening but, to be honest, I don't know why I bothered.

I couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo on Friday.

Oh, there was carnage, you can rest assured of that. Think "Born on 4th July" for 40mm tall chaps in brown uniforms. Headshots, disarmament, broken spirits. But thy're just plinking and took more work than normal.

Here's the one target I think is worthy of posting:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170116_144600_zpsa09xlham.jpg)

What in God's name is going on there?

Only the top-left is anywhere near what I'd hope for (and it was the last I shot). And as for the bottom-left; well...........

I swear that this target was NOT moving.

So, I have to wonder what was different on Friday. Your thoughts and feedback are always appreciated.


I'm at a loss. Have I missed something or do I just need to take a step back, reset and go back to it with an open mind?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 16, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
There are many reasons your shooting was off colour on Friday Blerky, many of which you've already managed to hit upon (pun intended).


If it was cold then it's possible your muscles could have been imperceptibly and involuntary shivering slightly, even though you may have not noticed it.

Yes, changing ammo could have had an effect on the leading of your barrel. However, shooting around 20-30 rounds of your usual ammo down the bore again should put things back to normal again.

Using a different rest (which is inadvisable when using a recoiling gun anyway) could, and most probably will have had, a dramatic effect on accuracy.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 16, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
Using a different rest (which is inadvisable when using a recoiling gun anyway) could, and most probably will have had, a dramatic effect on accuracy.

Even one of those beanbag jobbies? I only use it to cushion my hand as opposed to resting the rifle directly on it.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on January 16, 2017, 04:02:39 PM
Well what happened  :o

Any of those things as Gambo has already said.
Did you check your mounts,screws & the stock screws just in case.

Again I would relube the rifle I found mine needed it . :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 16, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
The other week when I went to the Doncaster club, it was colder inside than outside ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 16, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
Well what happened  :o

I'm buggered if I know.

Did you check your mounts,screws & the stock screws just in case.

Again I would relube the rifle I found mine needed it . :)

I didn't notice anything loose or misaligned. But I'll check again.

And what does "relubing" involve?

Are there some "standard" places to apply oil/lubricant that don't involve stripping the gun down to its components?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 PM
The other week when I went to the Doncaster club, it was colder inside than outside ???

And it was even colder on Friday evening!!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on January 16, 2017, 05:03:43 PM
Well what happened  :o

I'm buggered if I know.

Did you check your mounts,screws & the stock screws just in case.

Again I would relube the rifle I found mine needed it . :)

I didn't notice anything loose or misaligned. But I'll check again.

And what does "relubing" involve?

Are there some "standard" places to apply oil/lubricant that don't involve stripping the gun down to its components?
Re lubing involves striping your airgun degreasing it then re lubing correctly.
The only places you can relube are the pivot points and bearing surfaces with a drop of oil
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 16, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
I only use it to cushion my hand as opposed to resting the rifle directly on it.

Doing that should be ok, just as long as the rifle is completely free to recoil of it's own accord, without any interference or restraint.

Resting a springer on a firm surface will have it a buckin' an' a jumpin' like a virgin at an orgy! :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on January 16, 2017, 08:08:37 PM
I'm not a fan of cleaning air gun barrels, in fact I only ever clean my CF and shotgun barrels unless accuracy has gone all to pot and there is no other explantion.

I would suggest practicing on technique, rested hand on the bag and try to repeat exactly the same, grip and pressure as the previous shot, focus on every little thing you are doing until you build the muscle memory to make it sub-concious.

Good luck, and well done on progress thus far, keep at it.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on January 17, 2017, 07:38:04 PM
How many tins of pellets have you had through it since you first got your mits on it Blerkyboy ?

 Have you ever nipped up the stock screws?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 01, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Well, after two trips to the range over the past couple of weeks I can tell you that I think I'm getting back on track.

Here are my targets from last Friday :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170127_221449_zpsyx07ptqg.jpg)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170127_221408_zpsc6oezqfy.jpg)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170127_221357_zps118qa6t7.jpg)

The first target is A4 size.

The targets weren't shot in the order I've posted them but the ones where the grouping is best are the ones towards the end of my session. As I shot and fiddled and fiddled and shot the groups became more consistent (if not accurate!).

I worried less about accuracy if my groups were improving, I can always re-zero if my groups are consistent. Yes?

Note that there are a few shots that are WAY off. Most of these I can account for (i.e. I remember catching the trigger too early or pulling the trigger involuntarily because some wag detonated a flashbang in the range) although one or two shots in every couple of dozen does seem to drop 2 to 3 inches for no apparent reason!

And, of course, a modicum of carnage and a number of souls missing in action :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170127_235731_zpszakahup9.jpg)

So, what did I do? What did I learn?

I tried zeroing my scope again and this reassured me that I wasn't a million miles out with it.

I thought a lot about consistency throughout my shooting; how I load the gun, how I shoulder it, the eye relief, how I pull the trigger.

And I played with the AO on my scope. I *think* this may have had the most impact.

Please can you clarify if my following thinking is bollocks or not?

My scope has numbers on the AO adjustment thingy. I thought these indicated yards to the target and, thus, the optimum place to set the thingy to focus on an object at a particular distance e.g. the target is at 30yards so I set the AO to a little + past "25". BUT if my eyesight is crap then I should actually adjust the AO until the target is in focus (ignoring the numbers). If the target is in focus I have eliminated parallax issues. Yes? No? Sod off, Blerk, you're talking crap?

Onto another topic. Remember w while ago I said I had a permission? Well, he's back and in my ear about clearing the rabbits off his lawn. I have, as you guys would expect by now, many questions and requests for advice.


As usual, the wisdom of the Planeteers will be gratefully received.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 03, 2017, 05:32:16 PM
Replies to Blerky's last questions have been moved to this new thread in the Hunting Chat Section >>>>

http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=8714.msg105775#msg105775

 ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on February 03, 2017, 08:26:42 PM
Good man Gambo :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 09, 2017, 11:21:04 AM
Once again, no targets worthy of publishing for last week's trip to the range.

But, plenty to talk about.

I've been shooting JSB Exact Jumbo Diablos for a while now but the lovely folk at the range got some of the Express version in so I tried some of those.

Straight off the groups were great (not accurate). They're a little lighter so recoil was reduced ever so slightly but the best thing was their consistency. So I bought a couple of tins and set about zeroing with the new pellets.

My technique for zeroing was to start with a yellow, metal-plate target at 20yards, move out to 25yards and, ultimately 30yards. By the time I'd reached 30yards my groups were still great, I was achieving shot after shot within an inch radius.

So, it was time to move onto the targets (and the obligatory soldiers of fortune); again at 30yards.

My groups suddenly spread! The little fellas stayed in position, mocking me!

I rechecked my zero on the yellow, metal-plate target again. Yep, all was good.

Back to the targets. Of around 100 shots I managed just one group that I was happy with.

On the way back home I pondered what the cause could be as I listened to the talking heads on Radio 4's much lauded "Any Questions?".

What I came up with is that the metal plates are YELLOW whereas my targets are (mostly) black/white. (The armed forces are, naturally, camouflaged.)

I think I was having trouble picking my aim point because I could make out my reticle against the dark background.

Does that make any sense or am I talking absolute ballcocks?

I should point out that this little gem of a thought will be tested at my next session as my scope has an illuminated reticle and fresh batteries!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 09, 2017, 12:24:44 PM
At my old club, when I was entering air pistol comps, we noticed that when practicing (all comps from .177 air pistol to .22 rimfire) we could get very good groups but as soon as a little white sticker was placed on the card (the target cards were the same ones we used in practice) to tell you this was a comp card, we all had a very hard time getting out practice scores :-[ this was in a heated indoor 25m range.
At my new club there not into comp shooting but we noticed that we get 3 inch groups at 25 m on a A2 target card but using the same gun with same ammo we can constantly hit little bits of plastic (blown from the plastic advertising boards we use as target card holders) that are on the sand backstop a few feet behind the target :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 09, 2017, 01:09:52 PM
@Airgunnut - So you think it might be "psychological"?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 09, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
@Airgunnut - So you think it might be "psychological"?
Could be but there is a million and one variables when shooting and it could be one of the other million things :(
Just relax and enjoy your shooting without worrying about group sizes for a few sessions at the range
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on February 09, 2017, 04:36:40 PM
 Totally agree with airgunnut's sentiments.

 You already know in your mind you've got springer shooting licked , just relax and learn to identify when you're having an off day and don't expect too much of yourself. We all have off days.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 09, 2017, 08:05:17 PM
Yep........talking from experience, one day you just can't miss, the next day you can't hit sod all!!

I do think your 'reticle theory' could well have some substance.....as it's certainly easier to lock onto a light target with a dark ret, than it is to be precise with a dark ret on a dark target.

Then again, it could be psychological. To test that, get someone else to try your rifle, and if they don't have any problem, you know it's you!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 09, 2017, 09:23:23 PM
I'm beginning to think its psychological, your having a "downer" on your gun, your having douts about your gun/ammo, when you shoulder the gun what do you think? Is it, I cannot miss, I'm going to hit it this time or I haven't got a hope of hitting it with this thing?
The only thing I can think of (apart from buying a new gun) is just to relax and shoot

Edit have you bought a chronograph yet? Is the gun consistent ?
I know the Doncaster range is very cold, I wondering if the grease is thickening making the gun inconsistent? 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 21, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
So, I missed a week at the range as I was forced to drink good food and get drunk.

But I got there last Friday.

Every visit has its own story and last Friday was no exception.

I was accompanied by my friend and his son. Matey had an AA S200 .177 PCP (I was surprised he wasn't wearing a dress!) and he'd given his son an old BSA Meteor .22 he'd inherited from his Dad 30 years ago.

Needless to say, the lad found the Meteor a bit challenging at 30 yards with no scope and I cast disdain on the S200. Laddo had a few goes on my Terrus and liked it. Good to know he might not follow in his father's footsteps.

Anyway, the "story" is this. Matey wanted to chrono his S200 so the lovely folk at the range obliged.

11.35 for the S200. He was happy with that.

"I bet that Meteor has dropped to about 9," says the VERY experienced and knowledgeable Brian (he who runs the range with his wife).

He couldn't have been much more wrong; 3.5!!!! The Meteor is going to go in for a service and some tender, loving care.

Now, onto the punchline. "Let's try my Terrus.......... Just out of interest," I say.

13.05

"Eh?"

13.1

"Really?"

13.17

"What's going on? What does that mean?" I ask.

"It means you're going to have to bag up your gun and leave the premises" I was told.

To be fair, it was 10 minutes to chucking out time and I was happy to pack up and take the advice of "take it back to the shop and get it checked out". So that's what I'm going to do.

I've only had the rifle for 5(ish) months and the guy in the shop said it was rated at about 11.3 when I bought it. I actually asked him at the time.

So, it appears that my gun's power has been creeping up.

And that makes me wonder if it would affect accuracy, handling, performance, etc. (The legality doesn't worry me too much as I'll get it sorted today (hopefully).)

Air rifle shooting always seems to have something different round the corner!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 21, 2017, 04:10:34 PM
Here's the news.

The gun's going back to the manufacturer. It will be fixed for nowt.

But here's how I reached that situation.

Let me paint you a picture:

There's a couple of bloke's at the shop counter; one dressed in camo gear and one in "casual country" attire (let's call them Camo and Casual). They're chatting to a bloke (let's call him Chatter) behind the counter about a rifle they've brought in. The rifle in question is being worked upon by the chap who sold me my gun 5 months ago (we'll call him Worker).

Breaking away from his chat Chatter turns to me and asks "What can we do for you?"

"Have you got a chronograph?" I ask. "And can this rifle be tested please?"

"No problem," says Chatter. "We'll just have to wait for [Worker] to finish with this other rifle."

Worker brings bits of the rifle he's working on back to show Camo. "This pellet was stuck in it," he tells him. "We'll put your gun back together for you."

Meanwhile my rifle has been removed from its bag and taken to the chrono.

Worker pops a pellet through it.

Chatter wanders back. "13," he says.

"Hmmm," I reply (playing it cooooooool).

"I wouldn't worry about it," says Chatter.

"?" I don't quite say.

Worker has put another couple through it and comes back to the counter himself.

"13.1," says Worker.

"Yeah, I would plead ignorance," chips in Camo (I knew it wouldn't be long before we heard his opinion).

"What can be done about it?" I ask.

"Let it bed in," replies Chatter, "It'll probably settle down."

"What if it's settled at 13?" I ask.

"Say nothing," suggests Chatter.

"Plead ignorance," Camo offers.

"Ignorance is no defence," tries Worker.

"It's never been here in the shop, you've never had it tested," says Camo (who, clearly, doesn't believe his own eyes and may, possibly, suffer from Alzheimer's).

"But it's illegal," I say. "Can it be fixed?"

"It would be about £45," says Worker.

"I've only had it 5 months."

"Where did you buy it?" asks Worker.

"Here."

"I sold it to you?" asks Worker. "We'll send it back to the manufacturer. No charge."

So the gun's going off to rifle hospital for a couple of weeks at somebody else's expense.

But here are the "bullet points":
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 21, 2017, 05:39:01 PM
It's idiots like chatter and camo who give airgunners a bad name.

What did I say about buying your own chronograph?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on February 21, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
Your experience at the rifle range shows you Brian is  professional . Asking you to bag the rifle and remove it from the premises as it will put himself in jeopardy  regarding the law,insurance and his tenancy terms and conditions and most importantly ,his reputation.

 Camo and Chatter  talk like juveniles.
   
I reserve judgement on worker , he may be a gunsmith and slightly better educated  and won't be cavalier regarding the law .
 
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 21, 2017, 08:29:03 PM
I felt sorry for Worker. Chatter and Camo each had a few years on Worker and were far more "gung ho" in their manner. I could see that the younger Worker was far from comfortable with what they were suggesting.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 21, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
At the end of the day, it would be YOU who gets it in the neck if the Feds ever tested your rifle and found it to be exceeding the legal limit, not the muppets in the shop, which is why they display that cavalier attitude towards compliance with the Law. Pricks.

Quite obviously it needs to be sorted, for peace of mind, and your security too.


Like Brian, we at the C.A.R.C. chrono every members gun(s), and keep a written record of the results obtained, and with what pellets. If a rifle is running hot, it isn't allowed to be used or even to remain at the club, it needs to taken away immediately.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on February 21, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
What do they call the shop Blerky?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 21, 2017, 09:29:59 PM
What do they call the shop Blerky?

Now, I really don't want to name names because Worker is, in my opinion, sound.

Chatter was staff but not not the guy who usually mans the rifle desk.

And Camo was just a nob, sorry, punter.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 21, 2017, 11:00:58 PM
Can you contact the worker and voice your concerns about the chatter, I would try to speak to the shop owner/manager and tell him what happend, defending the worker as he was the only one who was concerned about the power issue which could have landed you in prison for 5 years (over 12 foot pounds and it becomes a section 1 firearm, you also have the section 1 penalties) there would also be repercussions for the worker and owner.


Some might shrug this off and forget about it but this is very serious! Prison sentience serious!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 15, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170315_200724_zpsd84hipgh.jpg)

Well, it's arrived. Cheers, Gambo!

First things first, off to the gun shop. No offence, Gambo, but I wanted to have it checked on the chrono. 10.9 up to 11.2. Perfect!

The chap had to fill it because Gambo had to empty the tanks for shipping. And I picked up a dirt cheap slip case for it. £20 for the lot.

The funny bit was when the chap had to remove the silencer because we couldn't hear it firing after he'd filled it.

I'm looking forward to trying it out at the range at the weekend.

Still no news on the Terrus.  Grrrrr..... I'll have to make do with PCP power for a little longer.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on March 15, 2017, 09:13:36 PM
I'm sure I've a new one of those in the cave. It's spot on if it's the same  :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 16, 2017, 06:35:12 PM
Nice looking bit of kit, can't wait to hear how it shoots and how many shots per fill.

 Gambo, how many good shots can one expect of this long barrelled beast and what's the best fill pressure ?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 16, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
Questions questions........

Errr, I dunno off the top of my head (forgive my memory, I'm gettin' old don'tcha know?), but may have it written down somewhere.....so I'll have a check and report back.

I do remember it favoured 5.52 AAF's (as do the majority of PCPs, except weedy seven seven ones owned by women)......and the reason it is ooh sooooo quiet, is coz the silencer is a QGSII.

As it was the only one of those silencers I had, I was tempted to swap it for for an empty toilet roll tube that had been sprayed black, and stuffed with sound deadening used bog paper, Tampax fluff, all wrapped up with an Always Ultra with the lockable core....... in the hope that Blerky wouldn't notice...........but as the QGS worked really well on that rifle, and also accuracy was at it's very best with it fitted, I relented and left it on.......but if Blerky wants to swap it for summat cheaper, nastier, and much louder, then I'll see what I can do, coz that's the kind of thoughtful guy I am! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 17, 2017, 07:35:02 AM
 :D

The book says it can deliver 50 shots from a full (200) tank.

I'm going to try it over the chrono at the range to see where the "sweet spot" is. If the book says "50" I expect it'll be 40 at consistent power.

I'll have to see if I can get my hands on some manly .22 AAFs. I'll be trying it out with my JSBs initially.

As for the cotton-packed silencer; it's performance was marred by just one thing. The outer coating has a rubbery, almost tacky feel to it. Gambo, did you hollow out a black dildo to make it?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 19, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
Now that I have a gun again it was off to the range on Friday.

Ironically I got a call on Friday morning from the gun shop to say my Terrus was back. So I picked that up and went off with TWO guns!

I also picked up some AAF pellets as Gambo had said something about the Hatsan favouring them. These are they:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170318_113126_zpsszcimabp.jpg)

The trepidation and anticipation built and built. My fingers shook as I loaded the mags of the Hatsan. I popped one into the breach (is that correct?), cocked the gun and let rip.

Incredibly a little flag saying "Bang! Love, Gambo x" did NOT appear from the end of the barrel. What I got instead were heads turning next to me. "That's bloody quiet," says the guy beside me. "Yes," I replied. "The bloke who sold it me made the silencer out of tampax and a toilet roll tube."  :D

So, I zeroed it in at 30 yards and here's the first group of 10 :

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170318_112802_zpsounm0e7b.jpg)

I don't think that was too bad. The new scope took a little getting used to and I still have some progress to make there.

Next up I shot three groups of 10 with the Hatsan and then three with the Terrus. Here are the results (the Hatsan is the left-hand column):

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170318_112836_zpsespesius.jpg)

What I learnt from that target is that my Terrus needs a couple of clicks to the right and the Hatsan maybe one more up.

Now, The groups for the Hatsan could probably be even better if I were shooting it like a target shooter. You guys may correct me if I'm wrong but what I was doing was taking a shot, moving the gun enough that I would be forced to find the target again and taking another shot. My thinking is that "out in the field" no two successive targets will be in the exact same place (bunnies move apparently). Do you lot think this is a reasonable approach to hone one's skills?

There was, of course, carnage but the only evidence I could find was this poor fella:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170318_115135_zpsgkfn1o6u.jpg)

How did the Hatsan compare with the Terrus? Well, the Hatsan was VERY quiet, VERY composed and, with a ten-shot magazine installed, VERY quick and FUN!!!! The Terrus, on the other hand, made a little more noise, kicked like a mule (I forgotten how much) and was a completely different type of fun.

Which is best? Both of them! It's horses for courses isn't it? My lads will definitely favour the Hatsan because it's more "sniper"ish. I like the Terrus because of the feedback and the challenge. They both have their merits. When I'm next at the range I'll be taking and shooting both again (why not?) and when I finally get out into the field I'll take both there too.

@Gambo - It's a great gun and the scope and silencer are great additions. Cheers, buddy.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 19, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
You're very welcome Mr Blerk, I'm glad you are enjoying the rifle, and I hope you manage to give it more use than I was able to.


Those groups are more than good enough to humanly dispatch live quarry at, or under, the same range at which you produced those target cards. Longer ranges will have those groups opening up, and so I would respectfully suggest more practice would be needed enable you to hunt quarry at further distances. ;)

I know that rifle is more than capable of producing fingernail sized groups at 40 yards......so it's now down to you as a shooter to practice enough so as to exploit the accuracy potential contained in that rifle.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 19, 2017, 08:23:41 PM


 I'm glad your happy with your new rifle , I felt certain you would be. :D

 
 It's a serious business killing vermin , it's got to be done efficiently every time.
 It's different outdoors shooting at a living creature compared to shooting off a bench in relative comfort at a bit of paper. :)
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 20, 2017, 09:38:42 AM
shooting at a living creature compared to shooting off a bench in relative comfort at a bit of paper.

That's certainly true!

Most people experience something called 'Buck Fever' when aiming at a living creature, because you are highly aware of the responsibility you are placing upon yourself to dispatch it cleanly and quickly, without inflicting any suffering. Obviously those emotions don't happen when shooting at an inert piece of paper.

Your heart rate will increase, nervous shakes will show themselves, and you may even start to cold sweat. All of those need to be taken into account, and controlled.....but you'll never learn how to without doing it first.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 20, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Oh! I forgot to tell you about the epilogue to my visit to the gun shop and the "plead ignorance" advice I got from Chatter.

When I went to pick my Terrus up on Friday I mentioned to Worker that I was uncomfortable with Chatter's advice. I said you can't legislate for what people like Camo say on the unwashed side of the counter but shop staff should know better.

Worker was in complete agreement and said that "words had been had" after I'd left the shop that day. Worker considers himself to be a professional gunsmith and, as such, walks on the correct side of the line.

I'll continue to use the shop and seek Worker's advice etc. I'll just steer clear of Chatter.

If anyone in the Sheffield area is looking for a decent gun shop feel free to visit South Yorkshire Airguns (http://www.southyorkshireairguns.co.uk) and ask for Adam.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 20, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
Most people experience something called 'Buck Fever'

I remember that from times as a kid when my Dad and I would go fishing and we'd need to finish of the catch (we'd eat our catch, not just throw them back).

Strangely, despatching rabbits was never a problem. My grandparents and parents kept a number of rabbits which my sister and I considered to be pets. The adults considered them to be a crop! I occasionally helped "get one ready" for a rabbit pie.

And when we all went camping for our summer holidays my Dad would try to take out rabbits on the evening drive home from the pub so we'd have something different to eat for dinner the following day. I always saw this as a bit of a hunt/sport.

Now that I think of it; my family have been a little harsh on rabbits over the generations.

BUT! I do appreciate that I cannot just walk into a field full of fluff and cotton-tails and go mental. No, I DO need to practice and build confidence as well as ability.

Ideally I need to get some outdoor practice in too. Either that or find some way to lure vermin into a portable 30yard corridor that I can carry around in a backpack.  ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on March 20, 2017, 03:53:29 PM
Field craft my friend, field craft is key.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 20, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
Last time I got crafty in a field the wife slapped me.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on March 20, 2017, 08:08:28 PM
Last time I got crafty in a field the wife slapped me.

You need to get sneakier ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 21, 2017, 07:06:10 PM
Last time I got crafty in a field the wife slapped me.

Any pics? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 21, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 22, 2017, 07:57:23 AM
Any pics? ???

Oh yes!!!

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/fields_6_zps6iqltsjd.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 22, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
Nice colours Blerky and sharp from from front to back  ,what camera was used ?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 22, 2017, 08:55:21 AM
None.

It's just a very good painting.  ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 22, 2017, 06:57:33 PM
Bipods!

Are they worth the effort on a Hatsan AT44-10?

And what is required to put one on if they are?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on March 22, 2017, 07:37:52 PM
I thought it was this one
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/davedicko1/stock-photo-woman-pulling-a-slapped-man-484749973.jpg) (http://s1241.photobucket.com/user/davedicko1/media/stock-photo-woman-pulling-a-slapped-man-484749973.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 22, 2017, 07:57:00 PM
Lol!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on March 22, 2017, 08:26:01 PM
Bipod - nope. I've got one or two but they are just extra weight and tbh lying prone you just don't need one plus they are an extra distraction you don't need when doing vermin control, plus they are uncomfortable on your back whilst carrying the rifle on a sling.

Just my opinion mind.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on March 22, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Mines been off ages I didn't get along with it at all.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 22, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
Most bipods utilise a the sling stud for attachment. 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on March 22, 2017, 09:07:42 PM
Aye but with most you can then attach the sling onto the pod, if you've never tried slinging a bipodded rifle I advise you not to bother the pod digs into your back.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 22, 2017, 09:20:55 PM
Bipods are one of those things we end up buying, but once the novelty has worn off , they get stored never to be seen again.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on March 23, 2017, 07:01:28 AM
Good thinking il put mine in the sales section lol
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 23, 2017, 08:37:01 AM
Okey doke.

I take advice and, so, I'll not bother with a bipod.

Friday tomorrow; back to the range.

Lots to work on:
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 23, 2017, 06:30:01 PM
If you  ever  in a scenario where you think a bipod would be handy , use a haversack or rolled up coat for support instead. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 23, 2017, 07:40:13 PM
Just to stick my oar in........


I've got a bipod, and find it absolutely invaluable for snipping rabbits when lying prone at the cricket pitch. The precision they offer just can't be beaten, so if you've got a specific use for one, I'd say get one. They're not very expensive, so even if it's only used occasionally, you'll get your money's worth out of it.

As said however, it is a pain in the arse shoulder when walking around with a bipod/sling combo'd rifle.

For that reason, I only ever use the 'pod when I know I will need it...........it isn't fitted to a rifle 24/7.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 23, 2017, 07:54:13 PM
Does them there Hatsans come with sling studs fitted?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 23, 2017, 07:59:22 PM
No....but they do have two front barrel support brackets which are secured on the underside of the stock, which means a swivel stud with the same thread can be fitted without having to drill into the stock.

I've done just that on a few 310/410 rifles just so I can use a bipod........but obviously if I wanted to fit a sling then I'd have to drill the rear of the stock anyway.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on March 23, 2017, 09:17:51 PM
The at 44 I've got here came supplied with sling studs
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 28, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
The at 44 I've got here came supplied with sling studs

I'd have to take up the deficiencies in my AT44's spec. with the chap who supplied it ....................
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 28, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
So, last Friday I was back at the range; fully equipped with a springer and a PCP once again.

A little plinking and off I go. Everything at 30yards........

Here's the first PCP target:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_155433_zpsmkzmulku.jpg)

A little "loose", eh?

Here's the first springer target:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_155450_zpsgplcwu9k.jpg)

Not much worse/better than the PCP's. Hmmmm......... And look at that shot dead in the centre. Sweet!

Here's the next. Three groups of ten with the PCP down the left, followed by three groups of ten with the springer down the right:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_155533_zpsuzttpmpv.jpg)

I was tweaking the zero on each as I went. The PCP is definitely giving better groups but I was driven to do better with the springer and I'm pretty pleased with the bottom target of each.

A little more plinking .........

There was carnage:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_070105_zpsl0onfaxy.jpg)

I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for these little fellas. But, they signed up and have to expect to see combat.

So, the next couple of targets are PCP-only:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_155555_zpsgx1jnnik.jpg)

I know what went wrong with the few strays; a lack of concentration and generally poor trigger use!

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170328_155617_zpsk5583rcy.jpg)

Look what happened to the top target!!!!!!! FFS! What happened there?

I'll tell you what happened. My wife wouldn't believe this but .......... a lack of air pressure!

I'd shot about 70-80 pellets by the time I finished this target and my pressure had dropped.

I refilled and the bottom two targets are getting back on track (although I think I may have overdone the tweaking with my zero, judging by the bottom one).

The reason why there are no more springer targets to show is because I was having too much fun plinking at the little fellas and spinners with the PCP.

Now, here's my usual list of questions:

Finally, please may I introduce Mr. Mini Man? He's going to be supporting the little, conscripts on their next trip to the range.

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170327_201104_zpsnhqnw0sf.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on March 28, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
You've done enough range shooting , now it's time to start lurking about on your permission armed to the back teath, maybe a bit of descrete plinking using only support of your own body or what ever you can utilise whilst out and about , just to get a feel for it.. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 28, 2017, 07:48:39 PM
What pressure are you refilling the Hatsan to Blerky?

As for 'maintenance' for the PCP, I just tend to wipe over the metalwork with a silicone impregnated cloth after removing the mags and refilling with air after every use.

I've gotten into the habit of putting my PCP's away with a full charge in them.....no real reason apart from they're ready to go next time I want to use one.

Apart from that, there's nowt to do.........except try to resist the urge to tinker......if it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 29, 2017, 07:25:55 AM
You've done enough range shooting , now it's time to start lurking about on your permission ...............

Oh! Pressure!

But if you think I'm good to go I'll have to seriously consider it. Time to start checking the weather forecast.........
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 29, 2017, 07:30:54 AM
What pressure are you refilling the Hatsan to Blerky?

As per the manual I fill it to 200 bar.

BUT, I've not had a chance to chrono it to see where the sweet spot starts. Once I know that I'll adjust the fill down to whatever seems best (190 or whatever).

As for 'maintenance' for the PCP, I just tend to wipe over the metalwork with a silicone impregnated cloth after removing the mags and refilling with air after every use.

Nice one. I was worried I'd have to do it myself but, as you're volunteering, feel free to pop up on a Friday evening with your cloth.

.....resist the urge to tinker......if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

No danger there, I am tinker averse.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on March 29, 2017, 07:53:40 PM
You don't want Gambo's cloth anywhere near your rifle!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 29, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
IIRC, I used to fill it to 185bar.

Obviously that used to reduce the SPC slightly, but it then started bang on the money power and consistency wise by giving better quality shots.


I'm not volunteering to clean up with a cloth for you.....get your missus to do it!! :P
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 30, 2017, 07:06:50 AM
IIRC, I used to fill it to 185bar.

Obviously that used to reduce the SPC slightly, but it then started bang on the money power and consistency wise by giving better quality shots.

Okey doke, I'll try 185 as a starting point. (What's SPC?)

I'm not volunteering to clean up with a cloth for you.....get your missus to do it!! :P

She doesn't have a cloth; she has special gloves........
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: shakeysimon on March 30, 2017, 10:36:40 AM
Spc= shots per charge
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 30, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Ah! Of course.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 30, 2017, 07:50:16 PM
Are they disposable? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 31, 2017, 07:05:39 AM
Are they disposable? ???

No, washable.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 31, 2017, 03:40:18 PM
Stainproof too? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 01, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
Scotchguarded!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 02, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
I didn't get to the range on Friday evening, too knackered.

So I went this morning instead.

Unfortunately a small, family (note the comma; it did not involve The Borrowers) crisis cut my visit short. 50 minutes driving and £10 for 25 minutes of plinking! I didn't even have a chance to put out any targets or any of the Mr. Mini Man regiment!!!!  >:(

But there is good news from this weekend. I was chatting to a local farmer/businessman/landowner/character in the pub yesterday.

"Can I pick your brains?" I asked.

"Certainly," he says.

"I've recently taken up shooting air rifles," I said. "You must know a lot of landowners in the area; do you know if any of them might be interested in giving me permission to shoot?"

"Yeah," he says. "Me."

Nice one!

His place is less than 5 minutes away (that's about an hour and three-quarters less than the place where my mate who says I can cull his bunnies lives) and it might open doors to other places in the area too (this bloke knows people).

So, I'm off up to his place for a walk round next week and then after that I'll be "on the rats".

Another bonus is that he's offered to show me his collection of airguns. He has quite a few antique ones apparently. And 26 shotguns. He's a bit of an enthusiast.

I'll let you know how I get on after my visit.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 02, 2017, 07:01:19 PM
Awwww, well done Blerky.........that sounds like a cracking development. ;)

Only 5 mins from your door, an airgun enthusiast who knows more potential landowners/givers of permission.......you've really struck GOLD there mucker!! 8)

I'd suggest getting some shooting insurance pronto, to prove to him (and others) that you take your responsibility towards his/their property seriously, and have his/their interests the very forefront of your mind.
Not only that, but it's reassuring to know your own arse will be covered too, should anything unlikely happen.

The benefits of having valid shooting insurance cannot be emphasied highly enough. ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on April 02, 2017, 07:10:23 PM
What he ^^^^ said.


And congrats, now get after them (once the insurance is sorted of course!), good luck.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on April 02, 2017, 08:49:28 PM
You've fallen on yer feet there Blerky , ''oh the good life , la la la''.  ;D

  That little green basc members card is like a business card when you're introducing your self to land owners.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 03, 2017, 09:08:38 AM
I'd suggest getting some shooting insurance pronto, to prove to him (and others) that you take your responsibility towards his/their property seriously, and have his/their interests the very forefront of your mind.
Not only that, but it's reassuring to know your own arse will be covered too, should anything unlikely happen.

Yes, that's on my job list for today. I'm about to Google "BASC Insurance" now.

You've fallen on yer feet there Blerky , ''oh the good life , la la la''.  ;D

It was a combination of patience, building up my own confidence in my ability (nearly there!) and building a rapport with the gent in question (my wife says I'm a charming bastard).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 03, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
BASC membership (and, therefore, insurance) sorted.

I've put together some "permission" letters in case chappie's reassured by that sort of thing.

Roll on Wednesday!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on April 03, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
The permission slips are there for your benefit , should you ever get the police taking interest in your activities. :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on April 03, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
Careful with permission slips, round these parts farmers won't sign owt. They'd sooner you didn't shoot their vermin FOC than sign a harmless slip.

Provided your clear on what you have permission to do, IMHO permission slips although preferable are not necessary.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 04, 2017, 07:12:44 AM
Careful with permission slips, round these parts farmers won't sign owt. They'd sooner you didn't shoot their vermin FOC than sign a harmless slip.

Provided your clear on what you have permission to do, IMHO permission slips although preferable are not necessary.

The permission slips are there for your benefit , should you ever get the police taking interest in your activities. :D

The landowner is one of those blokes who, I suspect, will prefer to seal a deal with a handshake. And that's fine by me, I've done some serious business on the strength of a handshake and I can work that way with the right people and he seems to be of that group.

But, I printed some permission slips just in case he would prefer to use them. It'll be his choice.

If nothing else I can waft one about to show I've got BASC membership and insurance.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on April 04, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
It's worth putting it down on paper just in case the police are called. It would save you some hassle and save him hassle too. Just tell him it's for both your sakes and covers you both for insurance purpose  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 04, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
It's worth putting it down on paper just in case the police are called. It would save you some hassle and save him hassle too. Just tell him it's for both your sakes and covers you both for insurance purpose  ;D

I will definitely suggest a signed slip to him but I doubt that he'll be bothered. Seriously, he's a "handshake sort of bloke" and a slip may be perceived as a bit of a slight against him.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on April 04, 2017, 12:15:16 PM
I know what you mean I've a few that say do as I wish I'm like family and a few who won't put pen to paper because they can't so I'll print off a map of there area and get them to highlight there boundaries so I'm not trespassing on land not owned by them and then write their contact details on the back and keep them in a zip lock bag in my rifle bag. If the police do come out your doing vermin control for the farmer. Produce the outlined map with contact details on the back and a copy of your insurance along with a photo id of yourself and jobs a good understanding it saves them taking your guns and asking you into the station for a interview then waiting for the guns to be tested before you recieved them back.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 04, 2017, 07:43:51 PM
BASC membership (and, therefore, insurance) sorted.

Applauded


I can appreciate what you and Ieazo are saying.....but if you could manage to get something in writing that you have permission to be on the land with an airgun (even if it's only his name and contact details) then that would be preferable in my opinion if the Feds did lean on you. ;)

At the end of the day it's your decision though.............I sincerely hope you enjoy the shooting the land offers, and take another step forward in your shooting 'career'. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on April 05, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
My situation is actually slightly different now, albeit for years I shot airguns over the land without signed permission in writing. Now my main landowner is a reference for my FAC & SGC.

Insurance is a conditions you must comply with on your FAC.

Prior to holding a FAC/SGC if I'd forced the issue of signed permission I'd have been told not to come back, as it is I've had years of shooting and been assisted in obtaining and renewing my FAC & SGC from this landowner - hard to argue it wasn't the right call to proceed on a gentlemans agreement is it not.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 05, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
The way I see it is that it's his invitation and, therefore, his call regarding a signed slip.

I do not believe that the man will do me over on a handshake and I'm covered with regard to insurance.

Yes, a signed slip might/will make things clearer and more simple if something happens but it'll just be a matter of time and explanations.

If it was some other bloke that was involved, someone whose reputation was less well known by me, I probably insist on something in writing.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 06, 2017, 07:30:24 AM
Well, I visited the site yesterday afternoon.

The initial area covered by the permission is for ratting.

And there's a (very reasonable) warning not to disturb his kestrel.

Access times are "whenever you like".

And guess what ............................ no permission slip.

"I've got a slip to sign if you'd like some paperwork to back things up," I said.

He just taps his chest and says "It's me," and holds his hand out.

Very much as I expected.

Sooooooooooooooooo, over to Blerk's Hunting Progress (http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=8714.0) as it moves to the next level.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 22, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
It was a session at the range again last night, seems like ages since I've been.

It was good to be back and plinking.

Here are the first two target sets (groups of 5, 30yards):

(Below is PCP only.)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170422_131749_zpsg7eyypug.jpg)

Below its PCP on the left, springer on the right:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170422_131744_zpsa5fn3urf.jpg)

And the second set (groups of 10, 30yards):

(Below is PCP only.)

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170422_131831_zpsol6nimhc.jpg)

Below its PCP on the left, springer on the right (only two targets with the springer because I ran out of time):

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170422_131759_zpsbmigs9fh.jpg)

The was, as you'd expect, carnage.

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170421_212131_zpspc0erdyl.jpg)

Check out all those headshots!

The usual troops were relieved that the Plaster of Paris battalion of the French Foreign Legion took the brunt this week.

Poof! And the chap was gone! (http://vid1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/20170421_194431_zpsvsfz5u0r.mp4) (30yards with the springer.)

The surprise was when Daisy copped a shot too!

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170421_212215_zpsg6qmjabo.jpg)

And then, as I was driving home, I realised that I'd forgotten to fill my PCP and I'll have to fill it at the dive shop if I end up going ratting next week. Grrrrrr....... I love free air.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 22, 2017, 04:03:36 PM
Poor Cow!!!

Laughed my head off at your 'headshots' comment!!! ;D ;D


No surprise to see the PCP groups tighter than the springer's.

Nice to hear you enjoyed it Blerky, your shooting is getting better every time. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 22, 2017, 06:32:25 PM
your shooting is getting better every time. ;)

Cheers, Gambo!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on April 22, 2017, 08:12:53 PM
Own up! How many of the head shots were pot luck?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on April 22, 2017, 08:58:24 PM
Getting better my friend  8)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 17, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
Because of holidays and work/social commitments it's been a couple of weeks since I've been able to get to the range.

But I got there on Sunday.

Let's get straight into the first target (PCP on the left, springer on the right):

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170516_181919_zps197tqry3.jpg)

Let's get the springer shots out of the way because (I think) there's more to discuss on the PCP side.

Initial observation: they're not great, eh?

I put this down to not having properly used the rifle for a fortnight. I've been molly-coddled using the PCP and just managed to forget everything I learnt about the springer and went back to square one.

Practice, practice, practice!

And so, on to the PCP targets.

Initial observation: what the bloody hell is going on with that top target?

I'll tell you what; some idiot has fitted a nightvision rig to the scope and, in the process, buggered the zero.

The middle target is better because I adjusted my aim a little, and the bottom not quite so good because I was over-adjusting my aim.

And the groups are, generally, not as good as I was getting a few weeks ago. I put this down to forgetting about shooting at a range.

I need to apply myself a bit more, remember some of the basic techniques and use them.

But I have a dilemma; with the NV rig fitted the scope on my PCP is spot on and I don't want to lose that by changing the zero for the range. What to do? What to do.............?

I'm thinking that the range setup may have to be sacrificed for the NV rig setup. Ratting beats range. Does anyone have any advice?

Plenty to think about before my next outing.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on May 17, 2017, 10:22:27 PM
Blerky......you've hit the nail on the head............PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE is the key to consistently good shooting results.


As with any skill, if you neglect it, you will get rusty......so tell Mrs Blerky that the boys on the Planet have said she MUST allow you more time to get to the range to sharpen your finely honed abilities....o'right? ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on May 18, 2017, 07:03:10 AM
I think my rifles would go rusty if I didn't look after them so much with the amount they get used these days  :'(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 18, 2017, 07:14:01 AM
Blerky......you've hit the nail on the head............PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE is the key to consistently good shooting results.


As with any skill, if you neglect it, you will get rusty......so tell Mrs Blerky that the boys on the Planet have said she MUST allow you more time to get to the range to sharpen your finely honed abilities....o'right? ;)

I got as far as "so tell Mrs Blerky" and wondered what I was going to have to tell her I needed to practice.  ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on May 18, 2017, 07:32:08 AM
Your a manly .22 shooter you don't need to tell her anything  ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 18, 2017, 08:00:52 AM
Troo.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Steviewhitt on May 18, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
Mr Blerk,

A fantastic blog and read, which has kept me busy for most of the day (48 pages) thank you.

A few questions if I may:-

1, how easy and how do you make the splatter hit targets (or what ever they are called)

2,  how do you make or where do you buy your toy soldiers that you shoot

I'm sure there were other questions I had, but can't remember them now.

keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 19, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
A fantastic blog and read, which has kept me busy for most of the day (48 pages) thank you.

Thank you. It's a "work in progress" if you will.

1, how easy and how do you make the splatter hit targets (or what ever they are called)

They're generally known as "Shoot 'n' See" targets.

You can buy 'em, but they're very pricey compared to the simple paper/card targets.

Making them is not too difficult. Credit to "Barry in IN" who told me how.


To quote Barry in IN : "When shot, the paint will be pulled off the bright colored construction paper by the tape, but it won't all stay on the tape. The result will be a bright colored spot at the hit."

2,  how do you make or where do you buy your toy soldiers that you shoot

The fellas in the plastic battalions come from Poundland (or similar); £1 for a tub of 100 conscripts.

The cannon fodder in the Plaster of Paris battalion are handmade but can be bought on eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC0.A0.H0.Xmini+men+target.TRS0&_nkw=mini+men+target&_sacat=0) (search for "Mini men target").

They're great plinking targets as it very clear when you've hit them.

I think I may have posted a video of one being taken out at 30yards but, in case I didn't, here's the link : Day of the Jackal (http://vid1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/20170421_194431_zpsvsfz5u0r.mp4)

To make them I bought a mould (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Figure-Style-Man-Silicone-Cake-Mould-Mold-Not-Lego-New-Uk-Seller-/152550470950?hash=item2384b77526:g:zPkAAOSwmLlX~92Z) (actually I bought two because I wanted I wanted to man up quickly) and a bag of plaster of Paris (http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/plaster-of-paris-25-kg/566824-1000?queryFromSuggest=true&userInput=plaster%20of%20) (I'm pretty sure you can get this cheaper than Hobbycraft charges but I just wanted to test the theory).

Mix the P of P, fill the mould, wait, free them from the mould, shoot 'em.

Making them yourself is cheaper than buying them but it depends how much you want to faff about. Personally I don't think it's too much effort and I get our youngest to help (if the guys in the mould are dry, she pops 'em out and refills the mould). You soon end up with LOADS.

And you can customise them:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/20170425_215734_zps1u588twf.jpg)

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on May 19, 2017, 05:20:09 PM
Mmmm, I'm liking 'Adolf' Blerky. ;)


May I just interject and also suggest Polo and Extra Strong mints as cheap and quick 'reactive' targets.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 20, 2017, 12:11:50 AM
Indeed!

And Extra Strong Mints can be customised too.

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170520_000346_zpsudbuy5lv.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on May 20, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
   :)

 Nice.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on May 20, 2017, 11:37:13 AM
Oh Blerky, dats a cracker!! ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Steviewhitt on May 21, 2017, 09:17:59 PM
Thanks Blerky,

So the sellotape goes on before spraying it black?

I might have a look for those moulds.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Steviewhitt on May 22, 2017, 07:13:51 AM
I've just found a few on you tube, shoot n see targets. I now understand the process.

Happy days.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 22, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
Thanks Blerky,

De nada.

So the sellotape goes on before spraying it black?

Aye.

And you can spray it another colour if you like, as long as it contrasts with the colour of the card.

Also, I've put different colour card onto the original card so some areas splat with different colurs.

Aaaannnndddddd......... If you lay a template of sorts over the taped card before spraying you can introduce target shapes. I used a rubber doormat to produce the following efforts:

(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a444/IceBlerk/20170203_163756_zpsylkqcnmm.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on May 22, 2017, 04:04:21 PM
Ooooh Blerky, you're sooooo creative!!! ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 23, 2017, 07:47:15 AM
Ooooh Blerky, you're sooooo creative!!! ;D

I watched "Vision On" and "Take Hart" as a kid..........
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on May 23, 2017, 09:22:08 PM
Me Too.........but it must nottah sunk in!! :-\
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 31, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
I was looking at my equipment last night (ideal opportunity; the missus was out) and got to thinking about the covers on one of my scopes.

Two black plastic thingies held together by bits of elastic.

I can see that they will protect the lens from scratches but I wondered why they each had a "tinted" centre piece. Are they to be used in bright sunlight?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on May 31, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
You can but its not very good.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 14, 2017, 11:40:25 AM
Well, it's been a while since I posted on this thread.

And that's because it's AGES since I paid the range a visit. I've been spending all my time ratting.

I put that right last Friday. I went with a plan to swap the scopes on my rifles so that I could hook my NV rig up on my PCP with an AO scope.

Best laid plans and all that ............... there wasn't enough room on the AO scope to accommodate all the mounts and rails of the NV rig.

But my faffing about meant that I was obliged to re-zero my guns which is probably not a bad thing.

Here's a vid of my 30 Yard Zeroing (https://youtu.be/fD36RaMBeEs).

Fascinating footage, eh?

Note that it's not that bad from the start but definitely needed a little tweak.

Zeroing completed I set about doing a bit of plinking.

For those that like to watch that sort of thing here are a couple of plinking vids :

30 Yard Plinking (https://youtu.be/TY8b9s965kw)

A Little More Plinkinig (https://youtu.be/gj0ycsE6C1w)

Now I know you fine folk would like to see something a little more spectacular so here's another vid (save yourself a tenner at the cinema and watch this beautiful parody of "Dunkirk") : First Plaster of Paris Battalion takes a Pasting (https://youtu.be/4CgCcRNNXeU).

Look at the dust fly!!!!!!

I thought that another slight tweak to the zero was required so I did that before Finishing Off The Plaster of Paris Battalion Survivors (https://youtu.be/33MG321NrWM).

It was a good session. I'd forgotten that range time can be so enjoyable; nice company, comfortable surroundings, VERY affordable and reassurance that one's zero is OK.

I packed up my gear and headed home (via my ratting permission).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: sandyman001 on August 25, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
Mr Blerk

Thank you for an amazing set of posts.

I have been buying the plaster of paris men off eBay like a loony bird gone mad.

I'll task my youngest well if 21 is young to make some molds he needs the experience
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on August 25, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
Nice vids Blerky , where did the filming take place?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 25, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
Geez........summat is sooooooooooo slow tonight.....dunno if it's my internet connection or TouYube, but Blerk's vids are taking ages to load!! :'(


Can you remind me what pellets you are using in the Hatsan please Blerkster?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 25, 2017, 10:16:57 PM
Mr Blerk

Thank you for an amazing set of posts.

De nada.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 25, 2017, 10:18:52 PM
Nice vids Blerky , where did the filming take place?

Doncaster Airgun Range (http://www.doncaster-airgun-range.co.uk). Great place.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 25, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
Can you remind me what pellets you are using in the Hatsan please Blerkster?

The ones you recommend, AAFs.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 26, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
Ahh........didn't know if you'd gone with the recommendation, or you'd found something else you were happy with. 8)

It's giving cracking accuracy with those AAF's, sometimes you can't see the pellet strikes until you've moved the crosshairs out of the way after taking the shot. 8)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 26, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Yes, I can't blame the rifle or the pellets, all issues lie with the pillock pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 27, 2017, 08:58:46 AM
pulling the trigger.

Ahh, nail/head in your comment there Blerky! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on September 03, 2017, 05:46:13 PM
Yes, I can't blame the rifle or the pellets, all issues lie with the pillock pulling the trigger.
As the saying goes, it's the nut behind the butt.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 26, 2017, 11:29:08 AM
I've finished my course and I'm back at work now, so plenty of free time to catch up!

Not last Friday but the Friday before, twenty-four robbers came knocking at my ................. no .............. hang on ............. got distracted by something shiny there!

Not last Friday but the Friday before I decided to bite the pellet and try to sort out the focusing ishoo on my NV rig.

So I packed it and my PCP into the boot of the car and went to the range for a plink.

Now, here's a vid of my Very Blurry (https://youtu.be/JFFE-JDiK4A) set up using my non-AO scope. Apologies that it's using IR but I think it demonstrates the ishoo.

The camera is focussed at 10feet on advice from The Planet's Pied Piper; Baggawind.

So, once at the range I swapped my non-AO scope for my AO scope. Baggawind also advised that he uses AO to correct focus on his rig so it seemed like a promising way forward.

After a few minutes here's of fiddling to get the new scope on and the rig attached here's Footage of a Target at 10-12 Yards (https://youtu.be/ExeUCSbX8Ec).

Clearly (geddit?) there are some things to be addressed here:

First things first; adjust the eyebell focus to get A Sharp Reticle (https://youtu.be/TdTpRU7ruOk). That's better!

Let's have a look at That 10-12 Yard Target Again (https://youtu.be/gbr6d3tyhJA). That's a LOT better!

At this stage my AO focus is set at about 15 yards (the lowest it will go).

Have you spotted the outstanding ishoo? Yes, unless there's a problem with my eye-level grill the reticle is not vertical/horizontal.

So I did a little fiddle and got a reticle that was Nicely Plumb (https://youtu.be/_EoYV4Bkvtc).

Let's have a look at That 10-12 Yard Target Again With Plumb (https://youtu.be/Bi3B9jZ229Y). Things are looking nicely poised here.............

The target focus isn't as sharp as it was previously; seems like the eyebell focus can have a significant impact on the camera/target focus. And that's annoying because tweaking the reticle alignment is a must and that can easily affect that.

Anyway, I've seen a lot worse so let's push it Out to 30 Yards (https://youtu.be/MO9-zmxeoSQ) and see what adjusting the AO can do.

Not too bad. Not perfect, but not too bad. Those brave Plaster of Paris Brigade soldiers are about 1 1/2 inches tall so this level of clarity/detail is acceptable.

Time was pushing on at this point and I still needed to zero the set up. It was a bit of a rush job.

Out at 30 yards I needed A Mildot of Hold-under (https://youtu.be/6vD2nnCSSA0). Some quick tweaks of the turret and test shots and I felt like I was Zeroed at 30 Yards (http://). But it was a very, VERY quick process before I packed up.

If you've watched a few of the videos you may have noticed how the colour drains away as time passes and distances increase. I think this is because it was getting dark outside and the cameras low-light feature was kicking in.

Ah, well! I could do no more at the range at this point ....................... so I went ratting.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on September 26, 2017, 12:48:11 PM
You,ve done well there Blerky. The eyepiece focus is pretty critical , as I found out last night - I had to re focus mine . Get yourself a coaster to attach to your PA adjuster, it will make focusing much smoother. You can buy one from your local fishing tackle shop. 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 26, 2017, 02:10:35 PM
You,ve done well there Blerky.

Cheers, Baggy.

Get yourself a coaster to attach to your PA adjuster, it will make focusing much smoother.

My scope doesn't have a sidewheel adjuster, the PA adjuster is on the objective (? front) lens. Can you still get "coasters" to fit this style?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
I've just realised that the Zeroed at 30 Yards (https://youtu.be/BtaWV25ZguE) link in my earlier post isn't working.

As I cannot edit the post I have corrected it here.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on September 27, 2017, 11:06:03 AM
You,ve done well there Blerky.

Cheers, Baggy.

Get yourself a coaster to attach to your PA adjuster, it will make focusing much smoother.

My scope doesn't have a sidewheel adjuster, the PA adjuster is on the objective (? front) lens. Can you still get "coasters" to fit this style?
Yes mate, buy two and also put one on your mag ring. They are a kind of " one size fits all " affair . You just trim the ends to suit.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 27, 2017, 01:31:53 PM
I've just Goggled "Rifle Scope Coasters" and found them on Amazon and eBay.

First off; I was expecting to see something that looked like a drinks coaster and effectively added a "wheel" to the scope.

I was wrong about that, eh?

Second (and utterly stunning!!!!); a pair of Breakaway coasters on eBay from a UK source are £4 - £5 (inc. P&P) whereas EXACTLY THE SAME item on eBay are £60 - £70 + £10 P&P.

Oh, sweet Jesus! How can that price difference be explained??!??!?!?!?!??!  ???

Unbelievable!

So I've bought a pair from eBay. I may post a review at the weekend because they should be here by then.

Thanks for the advice, Baggy.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on September 27, 2017, 06:30:13 PM
These are what i,m talking about , are yours the same?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-x-PAIR-OF-BREAKAWAY-TACKLE-NYLON-COASTERS-Universal-Reel-Mounting-Device/322410915011?hash=item4b113024c3%3Ag%3AiKcAAOSwNSxVHc1O
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 28, 2017, 07:54:29 AM
That's them.

Although I got mine from a different seller.

I can understand how they could be quite useful.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 29, 2017, 03:30:41 PM
I got mine from a different seller.

Wine or beer? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 01, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
I  was on a course a couple of weeks ago and got my results on Friday. I passed! Woo hoo!

And the South Yorkshire Shooting Show is on in Doncaster this weekend.

Sooooo ...... I rewarded myself with a new gun.

A Brocock Bantam.

I've been reading and watching reviews of the Bantam for a couple of months and thought it sounded like a nice gun but when I actually picked one up and shouldered it I realised it's a very, VERY nice gun. It feels lovely. Even though the model I was holding was a .177 I could tell it was nice and would be even better in .22 calibre.

So I thought I'd take advantage of the "show prices" and get myself a discounted 400cc bottle version.

"No problem," says chappie and off he trots to his storage area. 10 minutes later he's back. Empty handed.

"Sorry," he says. "We must have sold the 400cc .22 already."

He could tell I was disappointed. My bottom lip was trembling, tears were stinging my eyes and my nose was starting to run.

"Don't worry, little fella," he says. "I'll do you a special deal on the carbon fibre bottle Hilite version."

So he did.

The deal was extraordinary. He asked me not to tell anyone what we agreed  (it was massively lower than his already reduced 'Show price') and I became the proud owner of a Brocock Bantam Hilite.

As I was in Doncaster I dropped in at the range and put 10 shots through it to make sure it worked.

It did. It's so easy to handle I was able to shoulder it whilst standing without any trouble.

Now I need to slap a scope on it, get zeroed and put some lead down the barrel.

Happy days!

(I have a Hatsan AT44-10 to sell now.......)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 01, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
I did have a raft of sarky comments about your 'got my results' statement.....but I sense I'm already in enough trouble here on The Planet  already!!! :-\


Congrats Blerky, I've always Championed Brococks as being cracking airguns, and VERY underrated, IMHO.

Tiz nice of you to tell us about it mucker.........but we want Piccies!!!!! ;) ;) ;) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 01, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
Here's my new baby 'unboxed'.

(https://s5.postimg.org/ghosa59sn/20171001_160900.jpg)

Once I have a scope on it I'll try to post so pics of targets and video through scope.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 02, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
Looks like Blerky has got the buying bug.......he'll soon have a fully stocked armoury!! ;D 8)


Does the missus know you've bought it Blerkster?

What spec scope were you thinking of fitting?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 02, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
Stocking the armoury? My approach will disappoint you, Gambo; I'm getting rid of my Hatsan to make room (and funds) for the Bantam.

I told the missus I was gong to buy a gun before I went to the show.

And I told her I'd got it when I got home.

And I told her the price when she asked "How much?".

I also told her how lovely she is when she went a bit mental.

I've put my Nikko Stirling Mountmaster 4-12x50 AO IR Rifle Scope (http://www.uttings.co.uk/p103341-nikko-stirling-mountmaster-4-12x50-ao-ir-rifle-scope/#.WdH_RPl96M9) on it.

I've yet to zero and try it out so I don't know if it's a good fit BUT it seemed OK with a few "try it for size" attempts at shouldering it yesterday.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 02, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
I told the missus I was gong to buy a gun before I went to the show. *1

And I told her I'd got it when I got home. *2

And I told her the price when she asked "How much?". *3

I also told her how lovely she is when she went a bit mental. *4


*1 Chicken. ::)

*2 Chicken x2. ::) ::)

*3 Lickarse. :P

*4 Grovelling Lickarse. :o :P



Blerky........has The Planet taught you nothing about the skills and delights of using a Naughty Box?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 02, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
Lol!

But you obviously haven't seen my missus's arse.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 02, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
What's your missus' arse got to do with it? ???


...........or are YOU your missus' arse? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 02, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
*3 Lickarse. :P

And I'm not going to dwell on the 'naughty bix".
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 02, 2017, 10:58:09 PM
That little Brocock looks the part .

 Very very nice.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Ieazo on October 03, 2017, 12:08:55 AM
Stockings, did someone say stockings I likes stockings ;)


Lol!

But you obviously haven't seen my missus's arse.

This thread is useless without picters :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 03, 2017, 12:33:24 AM
'' I likes wearing stockings ;)''

 Each to their own , we're not judgemental. :D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 03, 2017, 07:13:25 AM
Stockings, did someone say stockings I likes stockings ;)
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This thread is useless without picters :)

Good points, well made.

Here's a picture of Kate Upton:

(http://sportsglory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/kate-upton-bare-necessities-lingerie-shoot-2410.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 04, 2017, 12:18:37 AM
  :)

  Thankyou.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2017, 01:09:10 AM
De nada.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
I called at my local gun shop and bought a tin of Daystate Kaiser (https://www.ronniesunshines.com/22-daystate-kaiser-pellets) pellets (in the man's calibre, naturally) because they were recommended by Brocock and by a few reviewers and took myself off to my new permission to zero the Bantam.

I judged 30 yards, paced it out to be sure (pacing is fine for me until i get to the range and I can zero on definite distances) and propped up a target against a safe background (one of those concrete blocks you see used to build temporary central reservation barriers on motorways).

It took me half a dozen shots before I realised that they were landing about 14 inches above my aim point.

14 inches!!!!!!!

Some might be glad of that but I wasn't so i started dialling the scope turret to bring it down. And I dialled and dialled and dialled.

Until the turret could be dialled no more.

But I still needed a mildot of hold-under at 30 yards. Here's a video of a shot I took later that evening at the same sort of distance : Have a Coke and a Smile (https://youtu.be/Y_TL4Fr0VAU).

A whole bloody mil-dot out at 30 yards and the turret could give me no more. It was sooooooo bloody frustarting.

So, my questions are these:

I'm reaching out to the Planeteers for help and advice (as usual).
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 04, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
Oh! I should say a little more about the Bantam without dwelling on the zeroing ishoo.

It's nice and light, even with the NV rig on it it's still light enough to shoulder easily.

I don't like the way the magazine is loaded as much as the Hatsan mag. With the Hatsan you could just drop a handful of pellets onto the mag and move them into position; with the Bantam mag it's a case of load one, rotate mag, load one, rotate mag, etc. It's a bit more fiddly.

It's not a fault of the gun itself but, as I only have one magazine, I was reloading in the dark too often. With the 5 mag's I have for my Hatsan I could load up 50 pellets on arrival at the perm while I was sat in the car and just swap mag's (if I managed to fire enough shots!!!).

Cocking the Bantam is OK but sometimes it feels like you have to make a little more effort to push the bolt into place. My only comparison for this is, again, the Hatsan. Perhaps it will improve with use.

Whilst my zero isn't right, the grouping seems good.

I've put a moderator/silencer on it and it's very quiet.

It's NOT a "full-length" rifle. To some this may be an advantage. It is to me; the handling and weight balance are great. But to some this may be a disadvantage. I'm talking about those people who have invested in a Boss Snipe shooting chair as they will find that the rifle rest on the chair can easily be too far forward to rest the stock on and such people may find themselves accidentally resting on the barrel itself. Oh! Hang on! I'm one of those people.

Having used the rifle in the field, do I like it? ........................... Yes; the weight, handling and "feel" of the gun are lovely and the shot grouping seems good (but I really need to verify this at the range). BUT ........... I still can't comment on the accuracy of the gun until I get it zeroed.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 04, 2017, 11:18:13 PM
Ideally you could do with setting your scope at exactly midway points then shooting a few shots . So say your poi is a mile off  horizontally and vertically. First thing to do is get your horizontal left to right sorted , if it's a proper mile out I'd be looking to see how the barrels secured and be considering rotating the barrel to bring it near to centre , but be aware this can bring other issues which we'll avoid for the time being , but consider some adjustable mounts. Then deal with the other axis I might consider shimming the mounts.
 In a perfect world the scope being centred wants to be shooting near as possible to your zero for reasons to avoid extreme adjustment of the turrets . This is doubley important if your using extra optics on the ocular lens , it throws everything in to turmoil.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 05, 2017, 09:43:18 AM
Thanks for the advice, Seagate.

I was scouring the Galactic Network yesterday and decided that I might swap my mounts to lower the height of my scope.

So last night I took the whole thing apart and then realised that the only mounts I have that fit my rifle are the ones that are already on the scope!!!!

What a bugger.

But as I put it all back together I  gave the elevation turret a turn to make sure it wasn't jammed on the stop. And it turned and turned and ........... you get my drift.

I tried it in the opposite direction to make sure I wasn't breaking the laws of "Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey". And it turned and turned and ...........

It would appear that my elevation adjustment might NOT have maxed out the other night. But I was SURE that it was.

So I'm back to zeroing again. Which is OK, I'd rather jump through the standard hoops than have to find a way to jump through one that's on fire.

If we assume that I AM NOT a complete idiot and that the turret DID stop moving the other night are there any reasons that might happen? Is it possible that there was something about how I had the scope mounted the other night was preventing me from getting full movement of the turret? Could I have freed that up when I removed and replaced my scope last night?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 05, 2017, 10:42:09 AM
''If we assume that I AM NOT a complete idiot and that the turret DID stop moving the other night are there any reasons that might happen?''

  Yes , the near you are to having the turrets centred left to right , the more up and down adjustment you have.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 05, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
..........the near you are to having the turrets centred left to right , the more up and down adjustment you have.

Yes, I realise that but I thought I had hit the limit on the elevation turret when I was trying to find zero but last night there was movement. But I hadn't changed the turret setting since the attempt at zeroing (honest).

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I've just re-read your reply and I think I've misunderstood the point you're trying to make.

Can you explain it another way please?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 05, 2017, 06:37:14 PM
I would centralise the scope (set turrets to the middle) then pack under the rear of the scope with shims of 35mm film negative or folded tin foil.
Did you just stick the scope on the gun without presighting? (clamping the gun in a vice or something then taking one shot at a target then place the scope on the mounts with shims under the right end of the scope to get the cross hair on the bull without touching the turrets) this would be the best method to mount a scope.

To check a scope, get a srtong cardboard box that your scope will rest on, cut 2 "v" one on each side of the box to rest the scope in, with a centralised scope in the 2 v's find a target on a wall or something (make sure the box and scope do not move) on the turrets go 20 clicks to the right then 20 down, now 20 left, then 20 up, if the scope is ok you should find that your back to the starting point.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 05, 2017, 07:31:39 PM
  ''Yes, I realise that''  ::)   no you don't.


 Do what Airgun tells you , he's good at explaining things .
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 05, 2017, 08:29:36 PM
Plenty of advice already given, but I'll stick in my two pen'orth worth........

Best to try to get a rifle shooting near to zero with both the turrets wound halfway through their complete range of movements. E.G, if the turret moves 5 rotations fully out to fully in, then set it at 2.5 rotations.

When that is done, if the rifle is still shooting (some 14 inches!) HIGH at 30 yards, then it's the FRONT mount that needs to be shimmed, NOT the rear.................The rear mount needs to be shimmed when the rifle shoots low at longer range.

If the L to R POI is way wide with the turrets centered, then check that the mounts are allowing the scope be held perfectly centrally above the barrel, and not off to one side. If that's the case, then another brand/model of mounts should be considered if they can't be remedied by adjusting the sideplates.

IIRC, your new rifle doesn't have a front barrel (sometimes called an 8) clamp, so there's no option for you to check/adjust that unfortunately.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 05, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
When that is done, if the rifle is still shooting (some 14 inches!) HIGH at 30 yards, then it's the FRONT mount that needs to be shimmed, NOT the rear.................The rear mount needs to be shimmed when the rifle shoots low at longer range.


give me a brake, it's been over 5 years since I last scoped a rifle and ive taken hell of a lot of pain killers since, so I might have got a few things mixed up :-[ :'(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 06, 2017, 07:48:43 AM
Great advice from you folk. Thanks.

As it happens, I went to the range last night before I had a chance to read any of it and managed to zero. I'm pretty sure that removing and re-fitting my scope the other night fixed the problem, but I don't know how/why.

I don't think (but can't be certain) that I have a front/rear mount which could have been on the wrong way round. Is there a way to determine this?

But ........... referring to the many wise words:

I would centralise the scope (set turrets to the middle)

How do I know which position is the central one? My turrets spin and spin and spin.............

Do I find the first end point, spin and count the turns until I find the second and then spin back for half the number of turns?

To check a scope, get a srtong cardboard box that your scope will rest on, cut 2 "v" one on each side of the box to rest the scope in, with a centralised scope in the 2 v's find a target on a wall or something (make sure the box and scope do not move) on the turrets go 20 clicks to the right then 20 down, now 20 left, then 20 up, if the scope is ok you should find that your back to the starting point.

That sounds like a brilliant idea. Simple but brilliant. Applause!

...... I'll stick in my two pen'orth worth........

Big spender!

Best to try to get a rifle shooting near to zero with both the turrets wound halfway through their complete range of movements. E.G, if the turret moves 5 rotations fully out to fully in, then set it at 2.5 rotations.

There you go, I knew the answer would be spin, count, spin back halfway.

When that is done, if the rifle is still shooting (some 14 inches!) HIGH at 30 yards, then it's the FRONT mount that needs to be shimmed, NOT the rear.................The rear mount needs to be shimmed when the rifle shoots low at longer range.

If the L to R POI is way wide with the turrets centered, then check that the mounts are allowing the scope be held perfectly centrally above the barrel, and not off to one side. If that's the case, then another brand/model of mounts should be considered if they can't be remedied by adjusting the sideplates.

What sort of material do people normally use for scope shims? Tin foil? Paper? Chocks of wood?

(I've just re-read Airgunnut's piece of advice and spotted this :

.......... shims of 35mm film negative or folded tin foil.

I knew I'd heard the idea of using tin foil somewhere.  ::)

IIRC, your new rifle doesn't have a front barrel (sometimes called an 8 ) clamp, so there's no option for you to check/adjust that unfortunately.

I have no idea what you're talking about, Gambo. What's an 8 clamp? What is it used for? How would adjusting it affect zero?

....... it's been over 5 years since I last scoped a rifle .....

It feels like I've been working on this one for five years already!

Great advice from you guys, as usual.

Many thanks.

I'm not a tinkerer and don't like to fix what isn't broken so I'm going to leave my scope as it is (might try Airgunnut's "left, down, right, up" trick with it in situ) for now. But I feel better equipped to deal with issues if I do have to remove the scope for any reason in the future.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on October 06, 2017, 08:26:39 AM

I would centralise the scope (set turrets to the middle)

How do I know which position is the central one? My turrets spin and spin and spin.............

Do I find the first end point, spin and count the turns until I find the second and then spin back for half the number of turns?


yes ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 06, 2017, 04:28:19 PM
I would advise against using tin foil, as I've done that in the past and for some reason it discoloured the black anodising of the scope.  :'( :( >:(
Deffo use 35mm film negative instead. About 4-5 strips usually does the trick. ;)


In addition to what Uggy said about the cardboard box V technique, another option is adjust the turrets so the crosshairs remain on a fixed spot on a wall when the scope is spun/rotated in the V's as it is looked through. If the crosshair remains on the same point of aim, then you know the erector tube (no sniggering at the back) is perfectly central within the scope's out body tube, if it moves about in an arc as the scope is rotated, then it isn't central.

The technique I use to determine if the mounts cant over to one side or the other is.......before fitting the scope, fit one mount on the rail with the clamping foot on one side (either left or right, makes no difference), and then fit the other mount right next to it, but this time with the clamping foot on the opposite side. Doing that will then highlight if the mounts tilt to one side slightly as the cradles won't perfectly align with each other. Make sense? ???

If the mounts are found to tilt, then turning the clamping foot upside down may alleviate, or worsen, the problem. If it's the latter, then shims can be used between the mount jaw and scope rail........or another brand of more suitable mounts can be sought.

Taking your time to ensure the scope is PERFECTLY above, and in line with, the barrel will pay dividends with achieving long range accuracy, so that 'cross-over' is totally eliminated.

I'm absolutely pedantic/fanatical/obsessive about mounting my scopes 'cock-on', not only with what I've said above, but also making sure the vertical crosshair then perfectly dissects the absolute centre of the muzzle when viewing through the scoped rifle into a mirror (after taking the proper safety precautions first, obviously). Plumb lines, spirit levels and straight edges are all brought into play to make sure everything is aligned 100% correctly. It can be frustrating, but it's well worth it in my experience. ;)


The 8 clamp is often found at the front of the cylinder on rifles which don't have detachable buddy bottles. It is basically a support for the barrel, and is shaped like a figure 8 when viewed from the front.

(http://www.drapers-airguns.co.uk/images/Gun%20Spares/Airarms/2422.JPG)

(http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/10-13-15-05-Air-Arms-TDR-rifle-muzzle-brake-detached.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 09, 2017, 09:33:01 AM
......adjust the turrets so the crosshairs remain on a fixed spot on a wall when the scope is spun/rotated in the V's as it is looked through. If the crosshair remains on the same point of aim, then you know the erector tube (no sniggering at the back) is perfectly central within the scope's out body tube, if it moves about in an arc as the scope is rotated, then it isn't central.

An excellent little tip. Thanks.

The technique I use to determine if the mounts cant over to one side or the other is.......before fitting the scope, fit one mount on the rail with the clamping foot on one side (either left or right, makes no difference), and then fit the other mount right next to it, but this time with the clamping foot on the opposite side. Doing that will then highlight if the mounts tilt to one side slightly as the cradles won't perfectly align with each other. Make sense? ???

Yep, makes sense. Thanks again.

.......... making sure the vertical crosshair then perfectly dissects the absolute centre of the muzzle when viewing through the scoped rifle into a mirror (after taking the proper safety precautions first, obviously).

The tips are coming thick and fast!! Ta.

The 8 clamp is often found at the front of the cylinder on rifles which don't have detachable buddy bottles. It is basically a support for the barrel, and is shaped like a figure 8 when viewed from the front.

And I've learnt something new yet again.  :)

I've realised that it's just over a year since I bought my Terrus. In that year I have learnt sooooooo much and had a great time wandering The Planet picking up tips and tricks along the way.

I also know that I still have a huge amount to learn and a lot of room for improvement in my ability.

What started as a tentative try out of target shooting has almost become an obsession with sessions at the range and ratting. And I'm hoping to extend that to taking on those vicious bunnies. Onwards and upwards.

Kudos and thanks to all the inhabitants of The Planet.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 09, 2017, 03:14:53 PM
I forgot to mention that I shot a few over the chronograph the other night.

Consistently 555 ft/sec which equates to 10.03 ftlbs.

This is at maximum power.

Now, the book says it should be just below 12 ftlbs on maximum power, 10 ftlbs on medium power and 6 ftlbs on low.

I'm not sure what, if anything, should/can be done about the power level.

Bearing in mind that I'm ratting and plinking (and may move onto bunnies too), do I need more than 10 ftlbs?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 09, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
Are you taking about the new Brocock there Blerkster?

If so, what pellets are being used when obtaining those velocity figures?


Strictly speaking, 10ftlbs is adequate to dispatch bunnies humanly, as long as pellet placement is correct, and the ranges not stretched too far.

However, it's always nice to have as much power as the law allows just to have that extra edge if it becomes needed, with more knockdown power, a flatter trajectory, and to help buck the wind better.

If your allowed it, then why not have it.........after all, you don't go into a pub and ask for a pint of beer, only to be served and expected to accept a glass that is only partially full, do ya? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 10, 2017, 07:47:04 AM
Are you taking about the new Brocock there Blerkster?

I am.

If so, what pellets are being used when obtaining those velocity figures?

Daystate Kaiser pellets. 14.66 gr.

...... it's always nice to have as much power as the law allows just to have that extra edge if it becomes needed, with more knockdown power, a flatter trajectory, and to help buck the wind better.

Indeed.

If your allowed it, then why not have it.........after all, you don't go into a pub and ask for a pint of beer, only to be served and expected to accept a glass that is only partially full, do ya? ???

An excellent analogy.

I can feel a trip to the dealer coming on. And that's a pain because he's not local and I'll end up being without my rifle for some days.

I might see if I can arrange for it to be dealt with while I'm next on holiday.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on October 10, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
If you take it back be prepared for a long wait. You,re dealing with Daystate here and if my experience with the Compatto is anything to go by you,ll be without your rifle for two or three weeks  >:(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 12, 2017, 08:02:45 PM
Hmmmm, the legal limit using those weight pellets is 606fps, so you are well down on that Blerky.

However, JSB's 15.9gr pellets are usually the most efficient, and the velocity limit for those is 583fps, but I prefer to set the rifle between 570 - 575fps (11.6ftlbs), to give a safety margin to remain legal.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 13, 2017, 07:24:14 AM
I called the shop yesterday. They'd replied to my email and said to call to discuss options.

Their response was more or less what I expected; bring it in, put it over their chrono and take it from there.

They said they MIGHT be able to do something there and then (which would be good but I have my doubts) or they'll send it back for fettling at the factory (which could take a couple of weeks but nothing is certain).

* Sigh * ......... As I'd rather not be without my rifle for any length of time I asked if the end of November would be OK (as I'm away on holiday then) and they said it would.

So it looks like I'll be trekking up the road with it in a month's time.

They DID suggest that I chrono it after some shots had been fired through it rather than immediately after a fill and that sounds perfectly reasonable BUT I'd be surprised if the climb up the start of the power curve is steep enough to get an additional 1 1/2 ftlbs out of it.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on October 13, 2017, 02:42:24 PM
Oh but it  can mate. Your Bantam is un-regulated therefor will have a pronounced power curve. All un-regged guns when filled to the manufacturers maximum fill pressure will be well down on power. Try filling it to say, 150bar - the sweet spot for most un-regulated guns, then increase the pressure by 10 bar then test it again and repeat the process until you see a marked decrease in power. Just below that pressure will be your ideal fill pressure. The sweet spot on most Air Arms rifles will start at 170 bar, give or take. Fill it to 190 and it will be around 1 1/2 fpe down. All the ones i,ve tested, including my own have done so. I picked up an almost new AA s400 for a friend and when we tested it the sweet spot started at 155bar !!? and went right down to 80bar before dropping off.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on October 15, 2017, 06:42:02 PM
If your using Kaiser pellets 14.6grn made by HN, weigh them just to make sure they weigh that. I've experienced HN pellets with a claimed 14.6grn actually weighing 15grn.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 16, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
I went to the range on Friday evening and I planned to chrono my gun at a much lower pressure. Lowering the pressure is quite an exercise in itself given that the manufacturer promises c250 shots per fill.

As it happens I was off to a non-starter anyway; someone had shot the chrono and it was out of action (RIP).

So I decided to have a little plink and see how falling pressure affected my zero.

Do you recall that I'd had ishoos trying to zero my gun? I'd been twisting the turrets like a nutter?

I still wasn't 100% happy with it so I thought I'd investigate how pressure affected things.

Here's a pic of a metal target (about 25cm x 25cm) I was using to zero at 25 yards:

(https://s5.postimg.org/nnz28l2qf/20171013_194649.jpg)

I was trying to get groups in the centre and at "12 o'clock", "3 o'clock", '6 o'clock" and "9 o'clock'.

No, really, I was!

Bloody hopeless, eh?

I kept trying at various ranges and the results were consistently crap. I was starting to question the gun. More shots at more targets at various ranges and no groups were forming.

And then, from out of nowhere, I had an idea.

I removed the silencer.

Here's a pic of the first attempt at zeroing at 25 yards without the silencer (groups of 5):

(https://s5.postimg.org/5xxdnjwvb/20171013_194654.jpg)

Can you see the subtle difference? The slight improvement in grouping? The improvement in consistency?

OF COURSE YOU CAN!!!!! Look at the bloody thing! It's a world, no, a galaxy of difference from the first one.

The gun doesn't like the bloody silencer (I should have guessed at that, it came from Welsh Wales!). Unfortunately I didn't have either of my other guns with me to try the silencer on so I don't know if it's an ishoo with it or the rifle not liking it. And I didn't have my other silencer with me so I couldn't try that on the Bantam either. So I still have a bit more experimentation to do.

Oh! I nearly forgot! I made like an Eskimo with bestial tendencies on Friday too; I blew a seal!

Now, I know how it happened and, thanks to the entertaining Giles Barry of the excellent  Airgun Gear Show (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0sDbitn84cLfdEBQnS7KbQ) I knew that blowing a breach seal on a Bantam was always a possibility. I also knew that fixing it was a task I shouldn't be scared of.

So I cracked on and re-seated the seal.

I didn't do it correctly (of course) and ended up with a pellet lodged in the barrel and having to do it a second time.

Which I did and, I'm pleased to say, did a far better job second time around.

Here's a third target at 25 yards after my "repair" :

(https://s5.postimg.org/esy7y2tdj/20171013_194607.jpg)

That's two groups of ten. The one at 12 o'clock is me, no silencer, using the scope. The one at 3 o'clock is me, no silencer, using the camera and screen of my NV rig.

So, what have I learnt?


None of this would be worth doing if it was easy, eh?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 16, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
It was for that very reason that when you had my Hatsan, I sent you the silencer (a BLOODY expensive one at that!) which I knew for certain would fit on that particular rifle without compromising accuracy.

Some makes of rifle don't like certain brands of silencer, and sometimes a model of silencer will work perfectly on one given gun, but a supposedly identical silencer won't!! At the end of the day, it's all down to trial and error, and/or experience.

So your comment of......"Many pieces of hardware can affect accuracy and consistency" is absolutely true.


Out of interest, what brand of silencer were you using Blerkster? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: rabbit sniper on October 16, 2017, 10:40:07 PM
Was the palm trees swaying and the waves gently splashing up the beach while you were blowing that poor seal  ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 17, 2017, 08:00:36 AM
Was the palm trees swaying and the waves gently splashing up the beach while you were blowing that poor seal  ;D

Lol! They were swaying last night in the Ophelia's breeze!

Out of interest, what brand of silencer were you using Blerkster? ???

It's the one I got from you with the Hatsan. QSG is it?

I'm going to put it back on the Hat and see if it's just doesn't like the Bantam or if it's become damaged in some way.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 17, 2017, 09:28:28 PM
FYI y'all......jus my opinion like.....

Once I have found a suitable silencer for a given rifle, one that is very effective as a sound reducer and doesn't compromise accuracy, then that's where that silencer spends the rest of it's life.....forever. Period.

Never ever are any of my silencers swapped from rifle to rifle.........you wouldn't dream of swapping a scope back and forth between rifles whenever you wanted to use one of 'em, and I would suggest the same should thinking should be applied to silencers.

Just as certain brands of scope mounts suit certain brands of airgun rails better than others, then so it is with silencers. Some barrels are thinner or thicker than others, and it follows the mating face of some silencers are different too....some are chamfered, some are not, some are skinny, some are thicker. Therefore, it's easy to understand why some designs of silencers don't suit some designs/sizes of barrels.

If an unsuitable barrel/silencer combination a used, pellets will become unstabilised as they pass too close to the internal baffles or endcap, or in a worst case scenario will actually clip the baffles or endcap, as the silencer won't be sitting perfectly square/parallel to the bore.

After the correct safety procedures have been taken,t his can be checked by eye by shinning torchlight down the bore from the breech end, and then silencer/bore alignment checked by viewing through the silencer from the muzzle end. Obviously a break barrel rifle can be simply inspected from the breech end.

Another method is to use a cleaning rod inserted through both the silencer and barrel.

If the bore of the silencer doesn't align with the bore or the barrel, it will be immediately evident, and the only option (without getting into the realms of machining) is to try another silencer until one is found that does align perfectly.


Frustrating, Yes......but not half as frustrating as pulling your hair out coz your pellets won't go where you want them to!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 25, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
I took my Bantam to my local shop last night.

It was down to about 100 bar so I thought a bit of chrono time was in order.

At that pressure it was still giving out about 10 ftlbs. Laddo topped it up to 192 bar and popped it back on the chrono. c10 ftlbs again.

So, it looks like my rifle is putting out c10 ftlbs on "Maximum" setting.

"You could try a heavier pellet," says laddo. And I appreciate what he's saying BUT ............... Brocock's recommended pellet is the 14.66gr Kaiser so I think I should be able to achieve c11.5 ftlbs with that one.

Am I being unreasonable?

Anyway, later that evening, after I'd done a bit of decorating and fed the youngest lad, I went took my kit out.

Rain interrupted my ratting so I moved from my first perm to The Grain Factory knowing that if the rain continued there is a covered barn area. Needless to say, the rain didn't ease so I ended up in the barn and did a little plinking while I waited for rats.

To test accuracy and PRACTICAL power I placed a concrete block at 15 yards. I put 10 shots into The Block (https://youtu.be/pYZuin-uKZw) and here's the result:

(https://s5.postimg.org/hl79hf9af/20171024_213009.jpg)

An even more close-up pic :

(https://s5.postimg.org/jpw7vxncn/20171025_124755.jpg)

Apologies for the quality of that pic.

I appear to have 2 groups (I can only blame the quality of my shooting); one has resulted in a divot of concrete being removed from the block and, just above that, one has pellet on pellet lodged in the block.

"Why are you rambling on about this, Blerk?" I hear you ask.

It's a reasonable question.

I wanted to reassure myself that my rifle is accurate and powerful enough for humane ratting (and possibly bunny blasting).

The above pic shows that it HAS the accuracy and consistency and, with constant practice, I'm confident that my ability will improve and one day I'll be able to take a pic of a concrete block with even better results on its surface.

But has it got the power? Well ........ it hasn't got the power that is written on the side of the box with the pellets I'm using but it's got enough power to batter into concrete and that's enough power to do the job right now.

So I'm going to stop fretting. I'll take it back to the dealer and have him tweak it but I'm in no rush. As I've said previously, I'll wait until I can do without it for a few days.

In other gnus; I'm shopping for a new silencer for the Bantam. Does anyone have any recommendations?

I'm also putting together my birthday/Christmas list. So far I have the following items on it:
If anyone can recommend sources, brands, models, bargains for any of the above please let me know.

If anyone can recommend any other items let me know about those too.

Laters!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 25, 2017, 01:38:30 PM
I've just remembered something I was going to ask about!

I realise that when you zero your scope you get a primary zero (at 30 yards, say) and a secondary zero (at 15 yards, say) and even a "point blank" range where the path of the pellet stays within tolerated/accepted limits on the flight path.

My confusion is this; how do you know if you're zeroing on your primary? Is it possible that you could set your scope up so that your secondary zero was at 30 yards and your primary is waaaaaaaaay beyond that? Is it a case of zero on the primary and then check that you're on zero at the secondary (but I've not seen anybody do this or suggest it)?

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 25, 2017, 08:31:41 PM
Just zero at your chosen primary, and the do the suitable checks/test to see at what range the secondary zero falls at.

Silencer recommendation.......Weihrauch, without a doubt.

Your current 10ftlbs of power is more than enough for the ranges you are shooting over Blerky.......it's only when you want to stretch your ranges to the (your) max that it's advantageous to have as much power as you legally can.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 26, 2017, 09:48:59 AM
Silencer recommendation.......Weihrauch, without a doubt.

Weihrauch, eh? I had been considering a Huggett (as they're recommended/used by Brocock) but I shall look at Weirauch to see if I can try before I buy..........
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 26, 2017, 07:29:32 PM
From experience, the Weirauch is shorter and lighter than the Hugget, and quite a bit cheaper too...........but both compare to be equally effective in sound reduction, to my Mk1 ear'ole.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 30, 2017, 09:47:42 AM
Yep I would agree with that Gambo.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 30, 2017, 11:11:43 AM
I had a trip to the range on Sunday afternoon.

It was enjoyable (plinking, checking zero at various magnifications, fiddling, etc.) although fairly unremarkable except for this:

(https://s5.postimg.org/6jq2i311j/20171030_104041.jpg)

"What's that, Blerk?"

I'm glad you asked (you always ask such good questions).

That, my friends is what hit me on the arm. 25 yards from me to the target and 25 yards back again. It didn't hit me with enough force to hurt or damage clothing or anything of that sort but I mused that that might be a different story if the distance to the target were less.

Safety first, compadres.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 30, 2017, 11:24:04 AM
That is a perfect example of why we place eye protection glasses at every shooting position at the club, and encourage their use, though sadly, many choose not to wear them. ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 30, 2017, 11:36:09 AM
Indeed, even at 25 yards if it had hit me in the eye it would have been enough to cause pain at the very least.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on October 30, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
What,s the betting you hit wood. NEVER use wood as a backstop, it WILL rebound. A few years back I actually shot myself in the eye after the pellet hit a piece of wood. I got lucky, it was a very low powered air rifle I was testing. I have also had a pellet wizz past my face after shooting at a squizzer, the pellet landed low, hitting the branch and came straight back at me. I made a box with an angled  metal deflector plate inside. At home I have a box hanging on the garden fence that has an old biscuit tin inside, lined with lead. Another good target box is a large cardboard box filled with rubber garden mulch. You simply cover any holes with masking tape.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on October 30, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
What,s the betting you hit wood.

Absolutely correct, Baggy. Take a prize from the middle shelf.

It was the wooden frame around the metal target holder that I clipped.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 30, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
Hmmm, there's prime opportunity for a raft (sic) of mis-quoted 'wood' jokes in the last few posts....but seeing as I'm a respectful Gent.....I'll leave it to those who are somewhat less upstanding........

Seagate, Rab......where the hell are you?? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: landymick on October 30, 2017, 04:45:24 PM
Which is why accuracy is so important  ;D

Getting wood while shooting is not advisable ask Gareth ,Rab or sea bloke. ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on October 30, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
Tiz true....using wood as a rest can be an advantage......but getting wood can make your aim go all wobbly!!! Ooh Err.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 21, 2017, 02:40:34 PM
I've been playing with ChairGun Pro (https://uk.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun.html) a little over the past few weeks. It's a great little tool (as my wife would say).

It's also pretty powerful (as I would like her to say).

Obviously it's all about the quality of the data you put into it but the trajectory graphs are great for helping me to understand how different things affect the quality of the shot. It'snot just about range and zero but scope height, ballistic coefficients, muzzle velocity and so much more.

And the tools included in the software are dead useful too.

Sooooooo ............... task one this evening will be to derive the BC of my pellets. The value I've been using came from Hard Air Magazine (http://hardairmagazine.com/ballistic-coefficients/) but I can either verify them or derive my own using the software's "Calculate BC from POI change" tool.

I've printed up some target sheets (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BZ8LrrYcI6RwLY3iRwMCF9gqeiTq0l4L/view?usp=sharing) (marked in 1cm and 0.24cm increments) that I can put out at different distances to achieve this.

At the moment my ChairGun results look like this :

(https://s5.postimg.org/f3nqrv4d3/Chair_Gun_Pro.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ft6j48kc7/Scope_Cap.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/eqwclq43r/Visualisation.jpg)

It'll be interesting to see how much they change after I've checked my BC.

Just fiddling with the software I've decided that I may be able to find a better zero than 25 yards too. 26 yards with a 0.5 inch kill zone might be better.

Great software!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 21, 2017, 07:16:59 PM
I can't help but notice you're CP scope height is 5.97'' ?

I'm surprised CP doesn't ask for the distance of the reticle to tip of the barrel. 

 Using the poi drop method to calculate Bc is abit flakey.


Bc is best calculated shooting over a chroney at different ranges ,say 1 yard and 30 yards.
 If you did it at between other distances you get different results. It's not as clear cut as it appears.


 Where predicting trajectory is concerned...
 Don't expect to see on paper exactly what Chairgun shows on the screen. It provides a vague approximation , but that's all.
 Just a couple of things that cause these misleading results

1 when it asks a value scope height , what it really is asking is, the crosshair height .

 2 A value  needed along with others ,to calculate anything accurate regarding poi ,from reticle to end of rifling ,which I don't see displayed on your image upload..

 3 And this is the best , altering the ocular bell aswell as adjusting focus either with sidefocus or objective ,alters the focal length which is in otherwords constantly alters magnification.

So with these factors taken in to consideration and reckoning on your scope height around 1.75 inch , if you want 1/2 inch killzone , it's nothing at all like CH gun quotes , in reality it's about 20y zero will give you a true half inch KZ effective from 10 yards to 26 yards.

 It's only by shooting and shooting and even more shooting that everything slowly sinks in to ones subconscious and all what you've learnt will just flow without you even being aware of it. Just like when you first start to drive and are thinking about the pedals and changing gears etc. ;) :)
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 21, 2017, 08:53:57 PM
I noticed the 5.97 scope height too Nick....but then realised it's in cm, not inches.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 21, 2017, 09:32:19 PM
   
 Metric eh, ::) bloody millennials. ;D


   
 
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on November 22, 2017, 07:13:08 AM
I can't help but notice you're CP scope height is 5.97'' ?

As has been pointed out; it's centimetres.

I'm surprised CP doesn't ask for the distance of the reticle to tip of the barrel. 

I believe older versions of the software DID accept that measurement.

Using the poi drop method to calculate Bc is abit flakey.


Bc is best calculated shooting over a chroney at different ranges ,say 1 yard and 30 yards.
 If you did it at between other distances you get different results. It's not as clear cut as it appears.

Yes, I appreciate that but I don't have the chrony for the job. When I'm next at the range I'll try it.

Where predicting trajectory is concerned...
 Don't expect to see on paper exactly what Chairgun shows on the screen. It provides a vague approximation , but that's all.
 Just a couple of things that cause these misleading results

1 when it asks a value scope height , what it really is asking is, the crosshair height .

"Scope Height" is defined as the distance from the centre line of the barrel to the centre line of the scope.

2 A value  needed along with others ,to calculate anything accurate regarding poi ,from reticle to end of rifling ,which I don't see displayed on your image upload..

I don't see it either. At the risk of being bombarded with forumlae ........... how does that affect things?

3 And this is the best , altering the ocular bell aswell as adjusting focus either with sidefocus or objective ,alters the focal length which is in otherwords constantly alters magnification.

So magnification doesn't cover this completely?

So with these factors taken in to consideration and reckoning on your scope height around 1.75 inch , if you want 1/2 inch killzone , it's nothing at all like CH gun quotes , in reality it's about 20y zero will give you a true half inch KZ effective from 10 yards to 26 yards.

Hmmm.......

It's only by shooting and shooting and even more shooting that everything slowly sinks in to ones subconscious and all what you've learnt will just flow without you even being aware of it. Just like when you first start to drive and are thinking about the pedals and changing gears etc. ;) :)

From conscious incompetence to unconscious competence. Yes, I don't intend to be a slave to ChairGun Pro but working with it has led me to think about other aspects of how things work. ...... And prompted this discussion, so ...................
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on November 22, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
''So magnification doesn't cover this completely?''   It's a rough approximation , as are the lines on the reticle.

 ''I don't see it either. At the risk of being bombarded with forumlae ........... how does that affect things? ''  It's the angle between the ret and end of barrel which becomes the hypotenuse , this has a value and adds precision to chairgun. 

 The videos you see on utube about  mapping the reticle with just 3 shots etc is tosh unless very precise  values are fed in to chairgun. 

 Just set out a few targets and shoot'em to find the correct holdover/under values.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on November 23, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
Just set out a few targets and shoot'em to find the correct holdover/under values.

That's what I do............but Chairgun does help give an 'idea' of what will happen, but I never take it as Gospel.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: 21grains on December 06, 2017, 05:41:18 AM
I noticed the 5.97 scope height too Nick....but then realised it's in cm, not inches.

Is that 2 3/8"/5.97cm, that seems real High> Are they see thru Mounts???.....Franky
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 06, 2017, 07:18:48 AM
Are they see thru Mounts???

They're not, mate.

(But the scope is see-through.  :D)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 18, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
The missus copped for an extra shIft on Sunday so I headed to the range for a fiddle and a plink.

It's been AGES since I've been to the range so it was good to be back for a few hours.

I took my springer as I'd not shot it for months (due to the nights drawing in) and I needed to put a scope back on it and re-zero. So that's what I did for an half an hour or so. All good in da 'hood. Zeroed at 30 yards.

And then a little plinking with the springer. Great fun. I'm looking forward to the spring and the lighter evenings when I can have a mooch round my permissions and get back to some "freestyling" with it.

So then I switched to my Bantam to check zero in ideal conditions. I zero this gun at 25 yards as I'm using it for NV ratting at the moment. Perhaps I may push that out to 30 yards when I eventually get to do some daylight rabbiting.

Anyway, the zero seemed good. Here's a card of six groups of ten at 25 yards:

(https://s5.postimg.org/5ofbc8x2f/20171218_130411.jpg)

I was REASONABLY happy with that but I felt I could do better.

And I was struck with a thought (had to happen eventually) ................... "Why stick to the manufacturer's recommended Kaiser pellets?"

I've been told often enough to try different pellets because some guns suit one type or brand or another. But I've been sticking to the Kaisers because they were recommended by Brocock.

So I reached for my tin of JSBs that I'd been using in my Terrus.

Here's the card (six groups of ten at 25 yards again) :

(https://s5.postimg.org/wm98dy7ev/20171218_130347.jpg)

I think there's an improvement there; grouping is a smidgen tighter and I think it would be even better if I was a better shot.

I tweaked the zero a little after the top two targets and I think that had the right effect.

So .......................... I think I'll switch to JSBs and see how I get on.

The bad news? I've run out of JSBs after my session at the range!!!!! .................. Off to the shop on the way home from work to buy some more before tomorrow evening!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 18, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
Make sure you get the same size as you were using Blerky...........the majority favour 5.52mm. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on December 18, 2017, 07:54:45 PM
Jsb 22 and airarms field 22 seem to work well with pcps..though if I were Blerky , I'd be looking for a lighter pellet for the terrus. Maybe JSB 13.4 or the near identical Falcon Acuracy Plus which I'd probabley guess would give a milder recoil aswell.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on December 19, 2017, 07:46:19 AM
Make sure you get the same size as you were using Blerky...........the majority favour 5.52mm. ;)

Yeah, mine were 5.52.

Jsb 22 and airarms field 22 seem to work well with pcps..though if I were Blerky , I'd be looking for a lighter pellet for the terrus. Maybe JSB 13.4 or the near identical Falcon Acuracy Plus which I'd probabley guess would give a milder recoil aswell.

Although it's not a priority I'll keep trying different pellets in the Terrus; it's interesting to experiment.

Oh! I should also add something about my session at the range on Sunday; after I'd done my zeroing and all my targets and evaluating pellets I decided to loosen my scope mounts and have a fiddle with it because I didn't think it was vertically aligned correctly. So I managed to undo all the zeroing work I'd done and had to do it all again! (What a div.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on December 20, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
If your rifle likes the 15.9gn  JSB/AAF's, but would like to try a lighter pellet as Nick says, then I'd suggest getting some 14.3gn JSB Express. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 03, 2018, 08:34:30 AM
I got myself a nice. new Weihrauch silencer (https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-rifles/air-rifle-silencers/weihrauch-silencer-inch-unf-female/914) last week.

That link isn't where I got it from, I got it from my local shop. It cost me £10 more than the price of the one in the link.

I went to the shop rather than purchasing over the Galactic Network for two reasons:

"Troubles?" you ask.

Yes, "troubles". Because last time I stuck a silencer on the end of my Bantam my groups went mental.

Friday evening Mrs. Blerk was on a shIft so I headed to the range with my new toy.

Sure enough, as soon as I stuck my silencer on my groups became less "groupy".

Here's a pic to show you what I'm on about:

(https://s5.postimg.org/bqf888d1z/20180103_082046.jpg)

The target on the right-hand side is without the silencer, the "group" on the left-hand side is WITH it.

It's worth me pointing out that the shots on the left-hand side were all aimed at the top, left target!!!!!

As it's the second silencer that's had this effect I suspected that I knew where the problem lay.

On Saturday afternoon I went back to the shop and showed laddo my targets.

He tapped the silencer into his palm and specks of lead came out. "The pellets are clipping the inside of the silencer," he says.

Couldn't argue with him there.

In fact, we were both in agreement that the issue was most likely in the barrel/shroud/silencer mount on the gun.

So I'm taking the bugger back to the (different) shop on Saturday.

I'm hoping that they either :

What I don't want to do is send it back to Brocock. I'm pretty sure that my contract of sale/service is with the shop and, technically, I shouldn't have to wait for Brocock but we'll see how it goes.

In other gnus, as I walked into the shop I saw a friend and her son chatting to laddo behind the counter. He was looking at a semi-automatic BB "assault"-style rifle. I talked him out of parting with his cash there and then. The lad's in the army and is getting bored when he's home at the weekend and thought that the gun he was looking at would give him something to do.

"You'll have great fun for and hour," I said.

"It's great for smashing plates and knocking cans over at 20 yards," says laddo behind the counter.

"You will NEVER be able to hunt with it," I said.

"Never," agreed laddo behind the counter.

So I've lent him my springer Terrus and PCP Hatsan so he can decide what he likes and then he can go back to the shop and spend his money more wisely.

I may take him over to the range on Friday so he can have a plink.

And I've had a word with the landowner of my big permission (we're gonna have to settle on a name for him!) and he says the Squaddie can shoot on his land if he's with me. (Ooh! Responsibility!)

I will (of course) let you know how I get on with my silencer ishoos. I've tried venting my frustration with Mrs. Blerk but she doesn't understand the way the Planeteers do. Still, if you have a wife you vent, yes?  ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 03, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Sympathies about the silencer grief. :-\

I've said it before and I'll say it (yet) again.........when I find a silencer that gives perfect alignment on a particular rifle.....it constantly stays with that rifle only, and NEVER gets moved/replaced/swapped between/from rifle to rifle etc etc.

It was for that very reason I sent you that AGS Quantum silencer with the AT44, as that was the only silencer of the many I tried on that rifle that didn't cause 'clipping' problems. I didn't think it was fair for you to have the same issues, and get frustrated and maybe quickly lose enthusiasm for this sport. Being a beginner, and not knowing/being able to work out why you can't hit the target could easily have a spoiling effect.


You say you don't want to return to rifle directly to the manufacturer (in this instance Brocock).....but from my experience, that's what most gunshops will do anyway....unless the fault is VERY simple and easy to rectify themselves. This is because they don't get paid for doing warranty work from gunmakers.......so why should they waste their time doing it for free........instead just fling it back to the maker/importer for them to fix.

Having the option, I would always opt to deal with the manufacturer directly myself..........as they are more intent on keeping buyers/users of their products happy. The gunshop has already had their cut of the deal, and regardless of whether you get sorted out or not........they're not going to get any more money out of the situation. See where I'm coming from with this?


Nope, I never (OK, rarely) vent my frustrations at the missus.....as it only gives 'em summat to moan about at a later date!! ::)


Shall we call the landowner of your big permission..........Mr Big? ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 04, 2018, 07:34:59 AM
Yes, I doubt if I'll be swapping silencers about once I have found one that suits the Bantam.

The reason I don't want to return the gun to Brocock is because it'll take weeks to get it sorted. I'm just hoping that the shop will be able to resolve on the day.

If I had a day off I'd be tempted to go straight to the factory. Hmmm .................... very tempted.

Mr. Big? I like it. Have an applaud point, Gambo.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 04, 2018, 08:50:34 PM
Fank you Blerkster. :)


A factory visit ehh......go for it dood. ;)

I did that at Logun once.....and spent the afternoon being shown around the place, chatted to various staff members and then had my rifle fettled and serviced while I watched on. 8) A very memorable experience. :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 08, 2018, 10:18:31 AM
Well, I bit the pellet on Saturday morning and drove up to Redbeck's.

I thought I'd give them a crack at my rifle rather than go direct to the factory (45 minutes each way rather than 90 was an influencing factor).

I've not been to Redbeck's before (having bought my gun from their stand at the South Yorkshire Shooting Show) and I was impressed by their set up. They've got a decent, little shop (plenty of things to browse and a decent selection of guns) and their outdoor range is good for such a business.

When I got my gun at the show I liked the manner and service of the guy who served me and the young lady who served me on Saturday was equally pleasant and helpful.

I explained my problem (appalling groups when using a silencer) so she took me and my gun out to the range to do some testing.

Without a silencer she shot a group of JSBs and a group AAFs and then she put a Hugget silencer on the dangerous end and shot another group.

Without the silencer her groups were about 10p piece size and with the silencer they were dinner plate size.

"There's definitely a problem," she says. "I'd expect to get groups about the size of a 5p piece so I reckon there's an issue even without the silencer."

She then shot it through their chronograph to make sure that the power was consistent.

It was.

This leads me to conclude that:

The lady also thought that the magazine was a little "tricky" to index a couple of times when she was loading it.

Soooooo........... The Bantam has been sent back to Brocock with requests to address the accuracy and magazine ishoos.

It could be in gun hospital for a few weeks (which is disappointing and distressing) but Squaddie has gone back to Catterick and has returned my Terrus and Hatsan so I can still shoot while I wait for the Bantam's return.

I'll keep y'all posted on how things progress.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 08, 2018, 05:51:48 PM
Am I correct in recalling that Brocock are owned by Air Arms? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 09, 2018, 08:01:51 AM
They're owned by Marocchi who are owned by Dianna.

Daystate and MTC are also in the group.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 09, 2018, 08:37:13 PM
So they are in the Daystate stable then, not Air Arms.

I knew they'd been taken over by a major British airgun manufacturer, but couldn't recall who.....so that for the reminder. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 24, 2018, 12:04:03 PM
***** Incoming Message ........ ***** Bantam Update ........

I emailed Brocock on Monday 15th January to find out if they'd received my Bantam, advise on any issues found and if they could give me an expected return date.

20 minutes later I got an email back to say it had been received and repaired and was leaving the factory that day for delivery back to Redbeck the following day.

Great!

I called Redbeck on Thursday 18th to see if they'd received it. I had Friday off work so I was hoping to pop up to collect it.

They said they hadn't received it and would chase up for me and let me know. No return call.

I called Redbeck on Monday 22nd to see what the score was. I had Monday off work so I was hoping to pop up to collect it.

They said they hadn't received it and would chase up for me and let me know. No return call.

I emailled Brocock on Tuesday 23rd to get a tracking number. I have had no response.

I called Redbeck later on 23rd for an update. I had Tuesday off work so I was hoping to pop up to collect it. (Spot the theme.)

I was passed on to an apologetic chap called Anthony. My gun HAD been received. It had a note attached saying that the issue with the magazine had been resolved but no problem could be found with the accuracy. Anthony had called Brocock. Brocock's tests had produced thumbnail-sized groups at 40 yards. Anthony suggested that this was not 100% correct. My results (skills permitting) did not demonstrate that level of accuracy. Redbeck's own tests (over two different days) did not demonstrate that level of accuracy. Redbeck had sent the gun BACK to Brocock suggesting that their tests were NOT reliable and that the gun should be re-barreled or something to rectify the issue. And I do not believe that Brocock's tests included the use of a moderator (although they said they did) as you'd be lucky to get a thumbnail-sized group at 40 inches if one was fitted.

So I am still without the Bantam and waiting for Redbeck and Brocock to sort things out.

It's all been a bit frustrating...............
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 24, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
Breaking news!!!!!!

I've just had an email reply from Brocock!

My rifle was delivered to Redbeck on 18th January.

Hmmmm....................
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 24, 2018, 07:53:47 PM
What did I say before about gun dealers not being interested in getting warranty work sorted out for you!?!? ::)

They've already made their profit out of the gun......any more involvement with it is just unprofitable/unpaid hassle for them. :-\

Take my advice, cut out the uninterested middleman, and go direct to the manufacturer or importer yourself.......you'll get your gun back much quicker if there is one less set of hands it has to go through. ;)


I already know accuracy tests are done without a silencer....I've fallen foul of that one before too. >:( ::)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 25, 2018, 07:08:48 AM
I like the idea that the folks at Redbeck tested the rifle and sent it back to Brocock, I'd rather it was returned fettled than just returned fast.

But their communication has been a bit poor.

And the email responses I have received from Brocock have not been great.

I suppose that the lesson I have learned is "try before you buy", but that would be difficult as my local dealer doesn't carry Brocock rifles.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on January 25, 2018, 10:49:11 AM
What you are experiencing is, I can assure you, far from unique. At one time I was tempted into buying a Bantam ( for the high shot count ) but after the lousy service I had after buying a Compatto I changed my mind. A case of  " once bitten " .  There,s a huge thread on another forum concerning aftersales service at Brocock. That also involved a Bantam. Something to do with low power and leaking IIRC. I,ve heard  tales of Brocock/ Daystate sending test sheets back for different rifles that are all identical. Sounds like yours is well down on power at only 10fpe. And it sounds like the accuracy problem is most likely to be the threaded insert in the end of the shroud. I don,t know if they are threaded in or pressed in but either way it sounds like something,s not square with the bore. Lets hope they get it sorted soon.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on January 30, 2018, 09:02:30 AM
Yes, Baggy, I had heard some stories about the Brocock aftersales service being less than impressive too. But the reviews of the Bantam and the high shot count (and the bargain price I got it for) swung me round.

If the weather wasn't as bad and I weren't enjoying my Hatsan as much I'd be very annoyed at this point. BUT ... the weather has been putting the mockers on my opportunities to get out and the Hat HAS been delivering the goods so I'm persevering. Also, the folks at Redbeck have been very polite when I've been chatting to them so it's difficult to get annoyed with them.

I will grit my teeth and struggle through.

Having said that, when I finish this post I'm going to email Brocock and find out what's going on (Brocock won't accept telephone calls from non-dealers so email is the only route).

Anyway, Mrs. Blerk pulled an extra shIft on Saturday so my plan was to go out to the Unicorn Farm to see if I could get any tree rats or spots any rabbit activity. Unfortunately that pesky weather I've mentioned was putting out too much wind so I went to the range instead.

I took my mate's BSA Improved Model D with me. When I whipped it out (oo-er!) it got a fair bit of attention.

As a manly man I didn't have any .177 pellets so I cadged a few and loaded it up.

Cocking the BSA was a challenge at first until i realised how I could tell that the spring was engaged and actually firing the thing was weird; the trigger is very, VERY heavy AND I felt a little unclean with it being .177.

A few of us shot it. I don't think anyone managed to hit the target we were aiming for but the pellets did reach the back wall which was 45 yards away.

I put it over my chrono.

Brace yourselves .................

5 ftlbs!

Yes, you read that right, FIVE.

As far as I know this rifle has had no tuning or servicing since it was bought and yet the 107 year old bugger WORKS and produces 5 ftlbs.

I'm no expert in air rifles or antiques but if I reach 105 years of age and I'm still fully functional AND I've got 5ftlbs of power I'll be a happy man.

So then I washed my hands and moved back to my .22 Hatsan.

Ahhh ............ that's better.

After a little plinking an checking my zero I decided to worth through some ten shot groups.

Here's the target card :

(https://s5.postimg.org/6yubg5g4n/20180129_112528.jpg)

First point to make is that the shot that has clipped the edge of the top right target is from the BSA.

Second point : the card was at 25 yards.

Third point : Mrs. Blerk went shopping at the weekend so I didn't have enough money in my wallet to be able to put a coin next to the fifth group!!!!

So, I started at the top left target.

I'd just filled the rifle so I think we can make allowances for the first group as the power settled to the optimum level. I've noticed that, with the Hat, I have to shoot 10-15 pellets after a 200bar fill before it settles.

The second group (left, middle target) was a little better (but not much) and I tweaked the zero slightly before shooting the third group (bottom left target).

I'm very proud of the three groups from this point but that one on the bottom left made me smile. I often worry that I might "over think" my shooting and I made real efforts to find the right level of focus on my breathing, crosshairs, trigger technique, parallax, eye relief, etc. etc. etc. I think the results were worth the effort.

I now need to transfer these thought processes to "the field" AND take into account windage and remove the "heat of the moment" when one has a kill on the end of the gun.

Thinking of the differences (apart from wind) between indoor range shooting and outdoor hunting I came up with the following (What, Blerk? You're going to do one of damn lists again? Good grief!) :

And I'm sure there'll be more differences that I haven't thought of yet.

I'm thinking that I need to split my time at the range into two "disciplines"; target shooting and hunting practice.

Target practice would incorporate practicing my consistency and technique to get the tightest possible groups and hunting practice would involve shooting from different positions both free-standing and off my monopod/stick.

I've put my name down for membership of my local field target club (thinking that target shooting outdoors might be a better simulation of hunting) but space are VERY limited so that might not come off.

Next time I'm out at the Unicorn Farm I may set up some targets and make a small outdoor range for practice/warm-up purposes and see how that goes.

If anyone else can offer any advice on how to translate indoor range skills to the field I'd be glad to hear it.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on January 30, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
Three quid on that target card Blerk........almost enough for a pint!! ;)


remove the "heat of the moment" when one has a kill on the end of the gun.

Tiz widely referred to as 'Buck Fever'........the jitters/excitement/nervousness a hunter gets when an opportunity to take live quarry presents itself. Target shooters don't get it....well, coz targets don't move, are always there...unlike wild critters.

If anyone else can offer any advice on how to translate indoor range skills to the field I'd be glad to hear it.

When at the range, try to get the 'mechanics' of shooting to be second nature....stuff that you would do whether shooting both targets or quarry. Things that you've already mentioned, stance, hold, breathing, trigger control, eye alignment etc etc. Once those things are second nature, there'll be less to think about when out in the field.........which will then allow you to focus on skills needed for hunting. Stuff like range estimation, taking note of which way the wind/your scent is blowing, concealing yourself in the shadows or by keeping below the skyline, moving quietly and stealthily to go unnoticed by your quarry. Those type of things can't be learned/practised or replicated on a shooting range.........they can only be mastered by learning from the mistakes you WILL make out in the field. Identifying and rectifying those mistakes can only come from experience....and the more experience you get, the less mistakes you'll make. Funny that innit?


Anyone else got anything to add please? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 01, 2018, 12:02:17 PM
I've had word that my Bantam has been sent back to Redbeck and it should be with them tomorrow.

If all is good I may go to pick it up on Saturday.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 01, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
Good news Blerky.

Fingers crossed the accuracy issues have been sorted. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 05, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
The Bantam is back!

Sort of ................

I spoke to Alex at Redbeck on Friday evening.

"We have your Bantam back from Brocock," he says.

"Great!" says I.

"But we're still not happy about it," he says.

"Ah.........." I said. At this point I was about to kick my "Plan B" into action. This was to combine polite disappointment with a demand for a refund.

"But we've got another two Bantams from them in the same delivery and we're going to test those to see what they're like. If they're OK you can have one of those." says Alex.

"OK," I said. Bear in mind that I like the specification of the Bantam and the feel of the gun, the only issue has been consistent accuracy.

So, early Saturday afternoon, I trotted up the road to Redbeck. There's my stock with a new "gun" in it.

Alex said he'd tested it and was happy with its performance but I was welcome to try it myself.

Using JSB Heavies and the Hawke scope that they'd fitted to it I went to their range and put 30-40 pellets through it both with and without MY moderator and their stumpy moderator (which they were willing to swap for my Weihrauch moderator if I wanted). The groups were great. Sooooooo much better than the previous gun. And, if anything, it was better with my Weihrauch mod than the stumpy thing (but that could have just been my shooting).

So I left Redbeck with a feeling of satisfaction. Let's hope that the whole saga is behind us all.

I think I should say a little about the service I have received from Redbeck and Brocock.

Negatives:

Positives:

So ....... Thanks to Anthony, Becky and Alex at Redbeck Shooting Supplies (https://www.airrifleshop.co.uk/).

Would I buy a Brocock again? Dunno.

Would I use Redbeck again? Yes.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 05, 2018, 02:36:21 PM
Great to hear it's sorted for ya Blerky. 8)


I'm a great believer that if You're courteous, it's more likely to be treated well........go steaming in with an attitude right from the off and it's likely no-one will want to bend to make you happy. Politeness goes a long way, IMHO.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on February 05, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
''Politeness goes a long way, IMHO.''  seconded.

I've never had anything other than great service from Redbeck .
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 12, 2018, 12:38:11 PM
I got a shooting pass from Mrs. Blerk on Saturday. She was off to a friend's "baby shower" (which sounded a lot like a dangerous cocktail of prosecco, hormones and brooding) so I went to the range to do some "laboratory condition" tests of my Bantam.

Upon arrival I filled her up to 200bar and checked my zero with my Weihrauch moderator fitted.

Then it was on to the targets. Here's the first :

(https://s5.postimg.org/tfegq68fb/20180211_131739.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/yqtdawhnb/20180211_131801.jpg)

The left-hand column of targets are shot using JSBs, the right-hand column using AAFs.

The top and bottom rows were shot with the moderator fitted, the middle row with it removed.

I shot each 10 shot group working from top-left to bottom-right (i.e. alternating between the JSBs and AAFs) and at a distance of 25 yards.

Those are £2 coins on the right-hand targets (Mrs. Blerk had left me some pocket money this week!).

I did no zeroing once I'd started the card.

Observations (feel free to make your own) :

Then I had a bit of a plink.

If you want to see footage of me taking three of the 4th Plaster of Paris Battalion out you can find it here (https://youtu.be/3N46L4fh3JA). There would have been more of that (and at better quality) but I left my memory card in the car and the "Action Camera's" internal memory filled up in less than a minute. (Yes, I COULD have gone back to the car for the memory card but the stairs to the range are a killer and I couldn't be arsed.)

Then I refilled the gun, plinked a little more and then shot two 10 shot strings through my chrono.

JSB (15.89gr) results:
Ft/sec : Min. 528, Max. 541 , Avg. 535
Ftlbs   : Min. 9.9 , Max. 10.4, Avg. 10.17

AAF (16gr) results:
Some pillock didn't record the results so I can't provide these! Grrrrr ........... I'll have to do them again.

I'm a little surprised by the power. I thought it would be higher. I'm going to shoot through half the bottle and then test it again. Perhaps it was just on the beginning of the "power curve" when I tested it.

And so, with a little air out of the gun I decided to shoot some more targets.

This time I shot 3 groups of 10 JSBs from top-left to bottom-left followed by 3 groups of 10 AAFs from top-right to bottom-right. All with the moderator in place.

Here are the results:

(https://s5.postimg.org/7n8q2zouf/20180211_131925.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/9rt346dnb/20180211_131949.jpg)

£1 coins on the left, £2 coins on the right.

Observations (again, jump in and make your own if you want) :

Summary:
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 12, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
Blerk, you have way too much money, the cash you have on the bottom card is about the same as my weekly food shopping budget! im on ESA and after ive payed all the bills i have about £15 for food for me and the dog per fortnight :(
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 12, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Blerk, you have way too much money.........................

If only that were troo! The combination of too many kids and a fun-loving wife depletes the coffers incredibly quickly.

(And I've probably spent more on air guns and associated paraphernalia than I should have done too!)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on February 12, 2018, 02:02:15 PM
I had a trip to the range on Sunday afternoon.

It was enjoyable (plinking, checking zero at various magnifications, fiddling, etc.) although fairly unremarkable except for this:

(https://s5.postimg.org/6jq2i311j/20171030_104041.jpg)

"What's that, Blerk?"

I'm glad you asked (you always ask such good questions).

That, my friends is what hit me on the arm. 25 yards from me to the target and 25 yards back again. It didn't hit me with enough force to hurt or damage clothing or anything of that sort but I mused that that might be a different story if the distance to the target were less.

Safety first, compadres.
this is also why tin pellets (non toxic) were banned at a club i used to go to, they came back with almost as much force as they were sent to the target with
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 12, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
a fun-loving wife

 :o :o

Swiftly moving on........ :-\



Yep, it's deffo JSB ammo that the rifle prefers.

I agree there's negligible difference between silencer off or on grouping wise, but there is a marked change of impact with it off, which suggests the silencer is controlling the 'jetting' (muzzle flip) of the excessive amount of air coming out of the short barrel. Nowt you can do about that (apart from turn the power down).....it's just the nature of the beast with ultra short carbines/compacts.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 13, 2018, 10:43:41 AM
So ....................... I'm looking to try a number of different pellets to determine the best for my Bant.

I floated the idea of a "pellet exchange" with the lady running the desk at the range at the weekend:

I don't think it'll happen.

So (again) ....................... where's the best place to get a decent selection of pellets from at a good price?

Does anyone know anywhere that allows you to CHOOSE the varieties you'd like?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 13, 2018, 11:20:43 AM
I've found this place : Pellet Perfect (http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home).

They sell packs of 25 pellets of over 160 types of .22 pellet (I didn't bother to look at the .177 range).

Has anybody used them before?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on February 13, 2018, 03:25:11 PM
I've found this place : Pellet Perfect (http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home).
sounds interesting.


They sell packs of 25 pellets of over 160 types of .22 pellet (I didn't bother to look at the .177 range).


shame on you.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on February 13, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
By jove, i got it  :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 13, 2018, 07:15:41 PM
Well done Mel.......have a few applauds for your persistent efforts. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 13, 2018, 07:22:01 PM
Nope, never used Pellet Perfect (they're obviously referring to the mighty .22 calibre with that name!).....but it sounds very similar to what Pellpax do. https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/airgun-ammunition/airgun-pellets/pellpax-pellet-sample-kit-22/1238

Looking at the Pellpax link, I note that they now provide all top quality pellets. That didn't used to be the case though......as the vast majority of the pellets they used to supply were mainly cheapo ones form the bottom end of the plinking market. Seems they have now pulled their socks up a bit, which is no bad thing. 8)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 13, 2018, 08:38:21 PM
By jove, i got it  :)

You certainly did! Well done, Baggy!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 13, 2018, 08:40:54 PM
.......similar to what Pellpax do.

Indeed, but the Pellpax is a random selection I think.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 13, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
Pellpax is a random selection I think.

Not sure.

There is a list of the pellets they now supply, it's possible you may not be able to specify which ones you get, but at least they are all quality, and not tat.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 14, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
I've decided to give one of these packs a go : JSB Trial Pack (http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=36&product_id=641). £12.58 including P&P. I don't think that's too bad.

I was toying with getting one of these packs : RWS Field Tester Kit (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RWS-Field-Tester-Kit-177-22-Sample-Pellets-Hunting-Target-Air-Rifle-Pistol-/232422425871?var=&hash=item7bcc819965) but I've put it "on the back burner" for now. Maybe next month.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 14, 2018, 07:37:59 PM
I think that RWS pack is quite good value....500 pellets for £16.49.

For the same quantity of JSB's that would work out at £25.

Arguably the JSB pack will contain more 'potentially suitable' models, whereas the only real contender from the RWS pack which will give mega accuracy at long (say over 45 yards+) will probably be the Super Field, IMHO.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 14, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
I  thought the same; the RWS pack gives more for your money but the TYPE of pellets in the JSB pack are much more relevant.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 14, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
The Super-H-Point might be worth a try considering the type of shooting you do Blerkster. I've found they give acceptable if not amazing accuracy out to about 30 yards max.

I also found fantastic accuracy from BSA Interceptor pellets out of my SuperTen, but other's haven't had the same success. Might be worth a looksee though, as they give a very hard hitting wallop.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 14, 2018, 08:27:36 PM
I was toying

I bet you were! :o.........But best leave that sort of thing to the missus!!! ;D ;D



I've put it "on the back burner" for now. Maybe next month.

Geez....is that just another way to say that in reality she's got you under the thumb? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 15, 2018, 10:19:29 AM
The Super-H-Point might be worth a try ............

Hmmmm £1.25 for 25 from Pellet Perfect. I might give them a go if I can't find an awesome JSB from the pack I've ordered.

..............she's got you under the thumb?

Ha! Not a damn chance! She knows her place.

(And if anybody tells her i said that I'll deny everything.)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 15, 2018, 08:34:31 PM
Mrs Blerky, Mrs Blerky......Mr Blerk says that you know your place!!

Is that true??
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 19, 2018, 01:22:26 PM
@Gambo : Shut up, you mentalist! You'll wake her up!


After last weekend at the range satisfied me that my Bantam is now shooting as it is supposed to I am now on a mission to determine the best pellet for the gun.

On Friday afternoon on my way home from work I called in at South Yorkshire Airguns (http://www.southyorkshireairguns.co.uk/) to see if they sold sample packs of pellets.

They don't. BUT ............... When I asked chappie behind the counter what he would recommend he gave me 50 (or so) Bisley Magnums from an open tin. Great customer service. So I bought a tin of Kaisers to give me something else to work with and to ease my conscience over the freebies.

Mrs. Blerk pulled an extra shIft on Saturday afternoon so I headed off to the range.

My plan was simple; set up some targets at 25 yards and shoot groups WITHOUT zeroing to determine the best grouping/consistency.

Here are the first two targets :

(https://s5.postimg.org/r61vj8qk7/20180219_071559.jpg)(https://s5.postimg.org/czm4o0nev/20180219_071631.jpg)

So, from left to right the columns are AAF, Bisley, JSB and Kaiser.

All are groups of 10 and shot at 25 yards.

Not all groups were shot "in sequence" (i.e. I may have shot 10 Kaisers after 20 Bisleys after shooting 10 JSBs). I did this to try to negate the effects of the pressure in my bottle dropping and any effect that pellet switching without cleaning can affect the leading in the barrel. Your advice on whether this was wise or not is welcome.

I also interleaved 10 shot groups on a "Shoot-N=C" target below the paper targets above.

Here it is :

(https://s5.postimg.org/3rtw7i3jr/20180219_112644.jpg)

Clockwise from top-left the pellets are : JSB, Kaiser, Bisleys, AAFs.

About the Bisley Magnums:

So, what do I think I learnt?

First off; the Bisley Magnums were very poor and I wouldn't use them even if their grouping was really good. The difficulty I had feeding them into the breech was VERY worrying.

The Kaisers were not as good as I had expected (they're the ones recommended by Brocock for the rifle) and the groups tended to be spoilt by fliers.

The AAFs were pretty good until the pressure in the gun started to drop and then the groups would loosen up.

The JSBs were good and consistent across the full range of air in the gun's bottle.

By this point I had run out of Bisleys (thank God!) and I decided to fill up the gun wiht air, do a little plinking (links to plinking videos to follow in another post when I've got the vid's off the camera) and shoot some targets with just the JSBs and AAFs (as these seemed, once again, to be the pellet of choice for the rifle).

Here's the first target (JSB on left targets, AAFs on the right) :

(https://s5.postimg.org/insfex76v/20180219_071657.jpg)

And the associated "Shoot-N-C" (JSB on left two targets, AAFs on the right two):

(https://s5.postimg.org/8qhem1f2f/20180219_112659.jpg)

I shot the top groups of JSBs in the top and "Shoot-N-C" targets followed by the top groups of the AAFs and THEN I ZEROED using JSBs.

The next group was the middle left JSBs. That group is as sweet as a nut as far as I'm concerned.

I then shot a group of FIVE into the bottom left of the SNC target. If I'd stopped at three shots I'd have had a cloverleaf but I needed to reassure myself that it wasn't luck.

Then I shot the equivalent AAF groups. .................... Not bad!

Finally it was the bottom targets on the paper card; JSBs first then AAFs.

I think the final JSB group was not as good as previous ones; could that be because I'd just shot 15 AAFs before it?

Overall conclusions?

I'm settled on JSBs. The AAFs aren't bad but the JSBs just have the edge. I've ordered a JSB sample pack (http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=36&product_id=641) and hope to narrow my pellet choice down even further. After that I will only have myself to blame!

I'll let you know the results when I have them.

In other gnus; I got a call on Saturday afternoon from Anston Field Target Club (http://www.anstonftc.co.uk/), my name has filtered to the top of the list of prospective members.

So I'm on the horns of an enema............ Do I pursue it and get membership or do I politely decline the offer so I have more time for my existing shooting?

Pro's :

Con's :

At the moment there are more pro's than con's so I'm sort of thinking I should have a go. I suppose I could always bow out later if I decide it's not for me.

Your opinions of range time, hunting, plinking and HFT/FT and mixing the disciplines are very welcome.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 20, 2018, 12:24:37 PM
As promised her are the links to the plinking vid's from my last session at the range.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 20, 2018, 08:47:32 PM
First off.....I'd deffo suggest going to the club for a look, just to see what it offers, and whether it would be beneficial to you to join. A recce isn't going to cost you owt....and at least you'd then know.

From experience around here, FT clubs tend to be fairly serious, and quite 'cliquey' with regard to what rifle/calibre you use......... hunting based multishot rifles in .22 are generally looked down upon. It may be different in other parts of the country, but if it's not, and your skin is thick enough to get past it, then it could well be to your advantage.


Yes the JSB seem favourite so far......some other brands I'd suggest trying are H&N Field Target Trophy, Crosman Accupell, and Falcon Accuracy Plus.

As you've found, the Biz Mags are simply too heavy at sub 12ftlbs.....all of the pellets I've mentioned above are lighter than the 15.9gn JSB ammo you are currently using, so velocities will be faster, and trajectories slightly flatter out to 40-ish yards, but energy will be shed more rapidly as the ranges extend further out.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 20, 2018, 09:45:51 PM
Yes, I admit to being concerned about possible 'snobbery' about my shooting preferences but the website does say "We cater for all forms of airgun sport – including Field Target, Hunter Field Target (HFT) or just a place to check your zero, have a chat with friends and do a spot of plinking in a safe and informal environment." so I'm hopeful.

Also, I had a pretty disappointing session at The Unicorn Farm this evening and, if I'd had the chance/choice I'd have packed up early and driven 10 minutes to have a plink at the range at the club.

Laddo in the shop suggested AccuPells but they looked filthy and he suggested cleaning them before use. I can't be arsed with that sort of faff.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 22, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
Yes Accy's are a dirty pellet....I wash and lube mine, which not only cleans them (obviously) but had the added advantage that they cycle MUCH more smoothly in a multishot rifle. Deffo worth the effort if they suit your barrel.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 23, 2018, 11:38:12 AM
My sample pack from Pellet Perfect has arrived.

Here are the "unboxing" pics:

(https://s5.postimg.org/lgivr7e1z/20180222_184303.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/4srdopypz/20180222_184440.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ke8p8oidz/20180222_184447.jpg)

I'm hoping to get to the range tomorrow and do some testing.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 23, 2018, 04:36:39 PM
Errrrr, why have they pictured Jumbo Express twice on the packet, but only sent one version? :-\


My guessing is the 5.52 Jumbo and 5.52 Express will be favourite.....or maybe the .52 RS (Falcon Accuracy Plus).

Looking forward to your findings Blerky. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on February 27, 2018, 07:56:19 AM
What a great day I had on Saturday!

First thing in the morning (9am : that's FIRST thing for a Saturday for me) I went across to Anston FT Club for my introductory visit.

It's a great looking set up they have there; 12.5 acres of woodland, 2 (or was it 3?) covered zeroing/plinking ranges out to 50 yards, sizeable car park, toilets (not locked on competition days!), covered seating/eating/chilling areas and a "clubhouse" of sorts.

No wonder they cap the membership at c100 people and only open the window to prospective members for a couple of weeks per year.

The chap showing the three of us around was a decent bloke and everyone we said "Hello" to seemed to be too. And there was a distinct emphasis on being open to and welcoming novices to the club if they weren't d1ckh34d5.

We had a plink while we chatted about the history of the club and how members chip in the maintain the place and support each other.

I'll be seeing out my probationary obligations and going for full membership because I couldn't see any good reason not to.

On 4th March they'll be hosting the Paul James British Recoiling Championship (https://www.britishrecoilingchampionship.co.uk/) but, unfortunately I won't be able to go along as I'll be on holiday.

In the afternoon Mrs. Blerk pulled another shIft at the pub so I headed off to the range for my JSB pellet Mega Test.

And .......................... Ladles and Jellyspoons! We Have a Winner!!!!!

My Bantam was on about 180 bar of pressure so I assumed that I'd hit the optimum power curve. My plan was to shoot half of the pellets on test and then refill to 180 bar and shoot the second half.

I had 25 of each pellet so I would shoot a group of 10 at my usual paper target, a group of 5 at a Shoot-N-C target (because my eyesight is rubbush and I wanted to reassure myself that I wasn't hitting the wall at the back of the range (the first four Shoot-N-C targets were upside down!!!!)) and then a second group of 10 at a second paper target.

Finally I shot 2 groups of 10 AAF pellets at two paper targets to give a "baseline" as these pellets have performed reasonably well.

I never touched zero from start to finish. I'm only interested in consistent grouping at this point.

"Get on with it, Blerk! What were the bally results?"

Alright! Alright! I hear you!

Here they come. (Bear in mind that I am NOT an expert shot, merely a bit of a journeyman (if that!).)

Jumbo 5.50mm 15.89gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/k1w1xnbyf/One.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/qfl50z1fr/One_V.jpg)

A reasonable 5 shot group but a few fliers on the 10 shot ones.

Jumbo 5.51mm 15.89gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/hxbowkprb/Two.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/eqh5d0i6v/Two_V.jpg)

A slightly wider 5 shot group and still a few fliers on the 10 shot ones.

Jumbo 5.52mm 15.89gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/f38jj4vav/Three.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ny9dtpwyv/Three_V.jpg)

A nice 5 shot group and the 10 shot groups are (as I expected, having used these pellets before) pretty good. This was my benchmark.

Jumbo Heavy 5.52mm 18.13gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/dbfko8jnr/Four.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ffzxpdy5z/Four_V.jpg)

The effect of the extra weight of these pellets is clear to see. No tightness to any of the groups.

In fact, no groups!

Jumbo RS 5.52mm 13.43gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/4geqdq2l3/Five.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ubygwzp07/Five_V.jpg)

A decent 5 shot group but they were all over the place in the 10 shot groups. Clearly this gun doesn't isn't keen on the lightness of these.

Jumbo Jumbo Express 5.52mm 14.35gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/9f28s9ltj/Six.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/3qvy1fucn/Six_V.jpg)

A nice, tight 5 shot group but too much spread on the 10 shot groups. Looking at the weight of these it would seem they fall in line with the previous pellets (Jumbo RS 5.52mm 13.43gr) in that they're too light.

Jumbo Polymag 5.50mm 16.00gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/gia47vyyv/Seven.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/r53xdeeuv/Seven_V.jpg)

These pellets were an absolute nightmare! Loading them into the magazine was nigh on impossible. Because they are longer the tip extended beyond the end of the magazine and stopped it rotating when loading. I had to put a pellet in, slightly rotate the mag, tip it backwards to move the pellet tip back into the confines of the mag, then fully rotate to the next chamber. Granted, I could have used my single shot tray (if I'd remembered to pack it!!!!) but I much prefer to use the magazine so loading it is definitely a factor in my test.

Having said that, the groups weren't a complete disaster but there were a few fliers.

Jumbo Straton 5.50mm 15.89gr

(https://s5.postimg.org/p0jkc8kx3/Eight.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.org/ny9dts24n/Eight_V.jpg)

Finally, the slightly pointed Straton pellet. The 5 shot group is OK ............ BUT LOOK AT THAT FIRST 10 SHOT GROUP!!!!!!!!!

10 shots in a group smaller than a 5p piece at 25 yards! And the second 10 shot group isn't too shabby either.

If you compare the results of the Stratons with those of the Jumbo 5.52mm (the previously established benchmark) you can see that the Stratons have the edge!

These, my friends, are the winners! The last pellet in the test, the last skier down the mountain, the last car to complete a qualifying run and it comes out on top!

And the baseline AAFs

(https://s5.postimg.org/clwsbx14n/Nine.jpg)

As promised, I shot the AAF groups for reference.

So ....................... JSB Straton 5.50mm 15.89gr is my pellet of choice. I was a little surprised that a 5.50mm pellet got the win as others in the test hadn't fared so well. Clearly 15.89gr is the weight to go for with this rifle though.

The whole exercise was enjoyable and informative. I may repeat the exercise again one day to make sure that I'm still using the optimum pellet but, for now, I've found my rifle's soulmate.

"Big Ups" to Pellet Perfect (http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home) for selling a good trial JSB pack.

After a brief hunt on the Galactic Network I've ordered 500 of the Straton pellets from Voymir (https://voymir.com/) at the bargain price of £6.80 for 250 INCLUDING P&P!!!! Not a bad deal. I placed my order on Saturday evening and they say they were shipped on Monday. I'll let you know when they arrive.

So I filled up my gun and headed home.

But my "great day" still wasn't over; I'd done the FT Club visit and had a plink, I'd done the pellet test at the range and, to round it all off, Mrs. Blerk was out visiting a friend on the evening so I went out for a ratting session too! (Details of that can be found here (http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=9059.msg114199#msg114199).) And then I went to the pub for a couple! Quality day.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: seagate on February 27, 2018, 07:16:12 PM
Excellent report Blerky .

 It'd be interesting to see how the pointy pellets hold up to more conventional domed pellets at say 40 -50 yards in a breeze. :D ::) :)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on February 27, 2018, 08:52:38 PM
I was a little surprised that a 5.50mm pellet got the win

Meee Toooooo. :o :o


I've got to agree with Nick about how they'll fare at longer range and with a sidewind though......but hope they hold up for ya Blerky.

FYI, The JSB Straton is the same pellet as the Air Arms Diabolo Hunter, so you might have an easier time sourcing those at your local gunshop rather than have to constantly mail order the JSB Stratons in. ;)

Great write-up yet again.......the time and effort you make with your posts is greatly appreciated Blerkster, and applauded. ;)

Hope things work out for you at the club. I know from experience just how much being part of a club can elevate the enjoyment of this sport, for many reasons and from many angles. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 06, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
Excellent report Blerky .

Thanks.

It'd be interesting to see how the pointy pellets hold up to more conventional domed pellets at say 40 -50 yards in a breeze. :D ::) :)

It's my plan to get out to the FT Club and test them on one of the zeroing ranges there.

FYI, The JSB Straton is the same pellet as the Air Arms Diabolo Hunter, so you might have an easier time sourcing those at your local gunshop rather than have to constantly mail order the JSB Stratons in. ;)

Hmmm ........... Thanks for the tip. I'll have to look for the AAs; I'd rather not be relying on mail order.


Great write-up yet again.......the time and effort you make with your posts is greatly appreciated Blerkster, and applauded. ;)

Thanks!


Hope things work out for you at the club. I know from experience just how much being part of a club can elevate the enjoyment of this sport, for many reasons and from many angles. ;)

As you might expect, I will keep you all updated with my experiences.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 07, 2018, 08:04:27 AM
Well, the Stratons have arrived from Voymir.

They took a little longer to arrive than I was expecting but they're well packaged :

(https://s5.postimg.org/sbpubzq3b/20180306_163051.jpg)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 08, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
Well packaged indeed!!!

Don't recall ever seeing pellets being better packed than that!! :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on March 19, 2018, 10:41:55 AM
I went to the FT Club on Saturday morning; one of my "Prospective Member's" visits.

There were a dozen or so people there doing maintenance jobs and setting a few courses out ready for a competition on Sunday morning.

I was introduced to a couple of guys who will act as my "chaperones" for the first three months until I can get my membership approved. They, like everyone else I've chatted to at the club, seem like good people.

The weather was appalling on Saturday morning and no shooting is allowed anywhere on site while people are out laying out courses so I had a good couple of hours meeting people (can't remember any names!) and chewing the fat.

And that was it. i didn't get my gun out but I was OK with that, it was a pleasant enough couple of hours.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on March 19, 2018, 02:22:25 PM
Quite often, club attendance is more about the social side than it is the actual shooting.......I know that tends to be the case at Castleton Air Rifle Club. Sometimes, after tea break, it quite a job to get everyone to stop gossiping and to start shooting again.

I think a fair number of people use the club as an opportunity to get out of the house and away from the missus for an evening.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 20, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
I went to the FT club for another pre-membership chaperoned visit on Saturday afternoon.

What a lovely day to be out and about, chatting shooting with some nice people and having a plink (I'm not quite ready to get deeply into the FT/HFT/SFT stuff just yet but I can see myself using the practice course a fair bit).

Anyway, while I was there I got chatting to a bloke about his Steyr rifle. What a bit of kit that was. And it was typical of many of the rifles target shooters use in that it could be tailored to fit the shooter through many adjustable gizmos.

And that got me to thinking; "I've done no adjustments to my butt-pad or cheek-piece, could I get a better fit?"

I've started looking into the art of fitting a rifle to myself but I wondered if anyone out there has any of the usual high quality tips for me.

For example, is it a two-man job? Do I need to loosen off the pad and the cheek piece, get them comfortable and then get someone else to fix them in place?

Should I be looking for something other than comfort primarily?

Is there a mathematical/formulaic way to work out comb height?

As ever; all advice is gratefully received.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 21, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
If you already have an adjustable butt pad on your rifle, it's easy to tweak it personally to your needs/preference, and which is summat I always do if a rifle offers that feature.

On some of my favourite rifles which didn't come with adjustable pads as standard, I've retro fitted them. I've always used Bisley adjustable pads.

As most of my shooting is from the standing position, the way I personally use to adjust the pad to make the rifle fit me, is to raise and shoulder my rifle with my eyes closed, then when it's there, open my eyes and see if I have a perfect sight picture (looking directly down the centre of the scope)........obviously scope eye relief needs to be already correctly set beforehand. If the sight picture is too high, and you are looking through the bottom of the image, then the pad needs to be raised, so the rear of the stock drops lower. Likewise, the pad needs to be lowered if you end up looking through the top of the image.

Play about until you find a pad height which works for YOU......but bear in mind whatever position you decide on it will only be perfect for the shooting stance you used when setting it, as then shooting from prone for example, when it was adjusted for standing, will obviously require a different position.

Lots of FT and HFT shooters leave the pads slightly loose, so they can adjust them 'on the fly' for each peg. Obviously someone who is hunting doesn't have that time luxury, so they usually fix their pad in a position which works best for the stances they most often shoot from, or is a 'one size fits all' compromise.

That's how I do it....others may prefer, and offer, a different technique to set their butt pads. ;)



Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 23, 2018, 01:57:09 PM
Thanks for the advice, Gambo. I will give it a go.

In other gnus; I went to the FT club on Saturday morning for a couple of hours.

The weather was lovely (swaying palm trees etc.) and there were a few people there getting ready for a competition on the Sunday so the atmosphere was good.

I think I may have found myself my first competitive shooting lark that I will pursue; silhouettes (or "sillies" as it can be called).

For those that don't know what is involved there are four ranks (one at each distance of 20yards, 26yards, 30yards and 45yards) of five knock-down silhouette targets and the shooter takes one STANDING shot at each target so the maximum score you can get is 20 out of 20.

Most (if not all) of my shooting to this point has been performed using a rest of some sort (bench, stick, shooting chair, whatever) so completely free-standing was a real challenge.

But I didn't do too badly on my first attempt.

And that gave me a benchmark to work against. It wasn't long before I wanted another go to see if I could improve.

I didn't.

I only managed to equal my first score but I'll be trying it again and again and making every attempt to raise my score.

One guy there told me how his best score was 16 and he'd been stuck on that for EIGHT YEARS!!!!!

What's that?

You want to know what my score was?

Well ..................... if you REALLY want to know ....................

TWO
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 23, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
TWO!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tha nees t' practice thee's standin' shots mur, tha nars!! ;)



How big are the 'slillies' Blerk.....or do they vary in size? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on April 24, 2018, 08:31:39 AM
TWO!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tha nees t' practice thee's standin' shots mur, tha nars!! ;)

Plenty of room for improvement, eh?

To be fair to myself, I was annoyingly close on sooooo many!

But yes, I DO need to practice and there's plenty of room for improvement!

How big are the 'slillies' Blerk.....or do they vary in size? ???

They vary in size.

And shape. From closest to furthest there were Boars, turkeys , chickens and rams (I think they were in that order).

I got the impression that there are recognised standards applied and that it's a setup that a number of clubs use. I'll dig into it a bit more and let you know.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on April 24, 2018, 08:26:47 PM
Thanks Dood. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on May 01, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
I was at the FT club again on Saturday morning. The visit started by meeting up with a couple of the guys (my chaperones) at Morrisons for breakfast (very civilised) and then off to the club.

I took the opportunity to zero my springer because the nights are getting lighter and I may find myself with the chance to do some "free-styling" with it before switching to NV on my PCP when I'm ratting.

I also had another go at the sillies. Great gnus! I beat my record. I'm now on a high score of FIVE. I'm heading in the right direction.

Regarding the targets; they are (from from to back) boars, chickens, turkeys and rams.

They look like this :

(https://s5.postimg.cc/h5nlcmdk7/s-l300.jpg)

I'm not sure about the actual sizes but I'm still of the mind that they're a "standard" size. used in recognised competitions.

Last week I also forgot to post this pic of the view down one of the zeroing ranges:

(https://s5.postimg.cc/bhhalubtj/20180414_121406.jpg)

It's a lovely setting. If I remember I'll get a pic of the sillies range at the weekend.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 16, 2018, 12:24:17 PM
I've added some new kit to my er, er, ..... kit.

I've added a scope-mounted "action cam"!

To be honest, that sounds more sophisticated than it really is.

I recently got a new mobile phone so I attached my old one to my scope to see what it could do as an video device.

Here's how it looks:

(https://s5.postimg.cc/woh9nrktj/20180814_195329.jpg)

(https://s5.postimg.cc/ntgfd93qv/20180814_195333.jpg)

The eagle-eyed among you will have spotted that it is attached to a mount using a couple of hair "bobbles" so it's easily attached and removed. The mount stays on the scope because I use it for my IR torch.

I tested it the other day when I was at The Unicorn Farm.

Here are the results (all filmed at a target at 25yards):

Video 1 (https://youtu.be/rIhXGlCvOds)

Video 2 (https://youtu.be/BUYOEDnO_LE)

Video 3 (https://youtu.be/Qp-vWgQ4egA)

Finally I have video with sound (although it'll be no good for night shooting!).

In the first video you'll notice that the image gets a lot "fuzzier" as I zoom in on the target. That's why optical zoom is sooooo much better than digital zoom but I'm working with what I've got. Also, the picture doesn't show it but it was a little gloomy where I was recording so, perhaps, it might improve in brighter conditions.

I don't think this is going to be a big issue for me because I'm hoping to use this for hunting footage.

If I manage to record anything interesting I'll post it. Watch this space (or my Hunting Thread (http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=9059.0) for my hunting clips or visit (subscribe even?!?!?) my YewChoob Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-dJJJIYr0CmTseDoA8EpCQ))!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 16, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
Nice bit 'o shooting perm there Blerkster!!! ;)

I'm surprised at how 'farty' that Brocock sounds on discharge.....very much like an old skool unregged PCP that is way down on air pressure. ;D

Dunno if you've noticed, but the vid jumps/vibrates as the hammer strikes......maybe it needs to be isolated from the rifle a bit more? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 20, 2018, 07:58:48 AM
Nice bit 'o shooting perm there Blerkster!!! ;)

It's great. The area in the video is my "zero range"; a nicely sheltered old railway line. Turn 180 degrees and you're looking at the squizzer hotspot.

I'm surprised at how 'farty' that Brocock sounds on discharge.....very much like an old skool unregged PCP that is way down on air pressure. ;D

Well, it IS unregged and it's had about 120->140 pellets through it since I filled up. Having said that, the gauge is still in the green.

It's coming up to being a year since I got it so I'm tempted to take it back to the Brocock factory and have a "service" done on it and its power level checked. I'm not sure if Brocock offer such services but if you don't ask ..............

Dunno if you've noticed, but the vid jumps/vibrates as the hammer strikes......maybe it needs to be isolated from the rifle a bit more? ???

Yeah, I noticed that. As you can see from the pics, it is directly resting against the mount and on the scope. I might be able to put some padding between the mount and the phone, that might reduce the shock-wave.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 20, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
So it is unregged and low down in it's charge........glad to know my ear'oles haven't deserted me yet!! ;D

Yes, a bit of padding between scope mount and phone would be great. Why don't you try an Always Ultra with wings......they seem to work perfectly great for everything else!! ;) Only downside is you'll probably have to replace it every 28 days!!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 20, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
Why don't you try an Always Ultra with wings.

 :o
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 20, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
Check in Mrs Blerk's bottom draw.....you'll probably find some there....with the added advantage that they'll be free!! ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 23, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
Douglas Adams once said "A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

I had one the other night.

Let's see if you can guess what it was before I get to the point.

I went to The Unicorn Farm to see if I could anything for the pot. As I make my way along the access road to my usual parking spot I scan the fields that flank the road, especially through gates. Sometimes I'll spot something that I think is worth walking back to check out or I might even see a potential target.

As I was making my way along the road on Tuesday evening I looked through a gate to my left and spotted a couple of pigeons about 15yards away.

The car windows were open so I carefully backed up the car to make sure I was hidden by the hedges while I got my rifle out of my bag on the back seat. I put a pellet into the breech and eased the car forward.

At first I thought one of the pigeons had buggered off but it had just moved a little.

So I was sat there in my car with TWO pigeons pecking about, barely 15yards from me.

I raised my rifle. This is the point where most pigeons make themselves scarce but, because I was in the car, they didn't spot the gun and stayed where they were.

I looked down the scope and dialled in the AO. The nearest one appeared to be bang on 15yards away.

They were quite calm so I settled myself to take the shot: a headshot, calmly taken at the nearest bird.

Breathe .............. and squeeze ..............

WHACK!

Two pigeons flew away, startled.

"What was that bloody noise?" I asked myself.

Had I hit the metal gate? Surely not! And it didn't sound like metal being hit with a pellet.

I lowered my gun.

And that's when I saw it ............. a hole in the top edge of the inner panel of the car door.

Feck!

I checked the damage. The pellet had gone straight through, right at the top of the door, puncturing the inner panel and slight tearing the rubber seal on the outside. No major bodywork damage and the window was intact. Considering my stupidity I had been lucky.

(https://s5.postimg.cc/6okx9kkp3/20180823_082321.jpg)

Later that evening I went to the pub to pick Mrs. Blerk up from work. It was too dark for her to notice the car's wound on the way home. When she gets in the car again in daylight I may have some explaining to do. I can't decide whether to go with:

If I don't get my fingers broken I'll post and let you know if I ever have to make the decision.

Schoolboy error : the end of the barrel is a lot lower than the centre line of the scope.

Lesson learned : make sure the end of the barrel is beyond the confines of the car when shooting from within.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 25, 2018, 08:39:31 AM
I've done a similar thing twice before, when shooting out of a partially opened bedroom window, and the rear garage door......so I must be as doublely thick as you Blerky. :-[

My suggestion is when she eventually spots it.........act surprised and bemused as to how it got there. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: airgunnut on August 26, 2018, 02:18:15 AM
I know some one who did some thing similar but it was with a .22lr, he was resting the rifle on his open shooting box, shooting away, then he said "who ever is throwing plastic at me please stop." after a few minuets he repeated "whoever is throwing plastic please stop it." a few more mins passed then he yelled "stop throwing plastic!" at this point I stopped shooting and leaned back and looked round in to his shooting cubical, all I said was " ray look where the barrel of your gun is" his reply was "theres nothing in front of me that's plastic" my reply was "no ray don't look through the scope, look at the gun barrel, that's when we all heard the string of expletives, yep, you guessed it the barrel had been inside his gun box but he was looking over the top of it through the scope, the scary thing was that in the box was a black powder flask (full) and muzzle loading percussion caps. He must have shot that box 50 times.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 27, 2018, 07:49:30 AM
My suggestion is when she eventually spots it.........act surprised and bemused as to how it got there. ;) ;)

She's been in the car a few times since and not said anything.

But our youngest lad spotted it when I picked him up from work on Saturday.

"What's gone on here?" he asked.

"Dunno," I replied.

"Looks a lot like a pellet hole ..........." he says to me.

"Well. Hmmmm. Yeah," I wittily replied.

"What's Mum say?"

"Nothing ............ yet."

........ "stop throwing plastic!".........

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 27, 2018, 11:46:45 AM
"Looks a lot like a pellet hole ..........." he says to me.

Shoulda given him a sharp clip round the ear'ole n told him not to be so stupid. ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: 21grains on August 27, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
I'm the Best Stupid.....I stuck the Barrel Out the Window to Shoot a Rat in the Stone Wall at My Dad's House Bathroom Window.....But the Window was Shut.....Foolish Bastard I am.....Franky
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 27, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Drrrrrrrr........but big respect for admitting it Frankster. ;)
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 28, 2018, 08:01:54 AM
.......... the Window was Shut.......

I feel better now.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on August 29, 2018, 10:56:41 PM
I feel better now.

Is 'better' accepting of that......and more importantly, what does Mrs Blerkster think about it? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 30, 2018, 09:21:28 AM
I feel better now.

Is 'better' accepting of that......and more importantly, what does Mrs Blerkster think about it? ???

I feel better because MY window was open!

And Mrs. Blerk still hasn't noticed/mentioned the wound in the car door. I think I've got away with it.

On a different subject ................ Baggy was asking about the zero on my rifle the other day after he had watched some of my ratting clips and that got me thinking. Let's say that a shooter zeros his scope/rifle at 25yards; how does he know that it's his FAR zero that's at 25yards and not the near zero? Could it be that he's actually got a near zero of 25yards and a far zero of (say) 75yards? And how would that be corrected? I was trying to work it out in my head last night and I was thinking that the corrective course of action would be to dial the vertical turret DOWN significantly but then I started thinking that perhaps it should be dialled UP.

Then my head started to hurt so I stopped thinking.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on August 30, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
It,s quite simple really Blerky. If you have zeroed your rifle at 25 yards then the pellet will leave the barrel below the crosshairs then cross over at roughly 10 yards , your secondary zero , then climb above the crosshairs before dropping back down to your primary zero ( 25 yards). I,m asuming your rifle is in .22 calibre.  Depending on how high the centreline of your scope is above the centreline of your barrel , you will have to aim slightly low at ranges between say, 12 and 20 yards and aim high at ranges below 10 yards . ( they,re the difficult ones ). These figures are just a rough guide ,it all depends on things like pellet type and weight , the power of the rifle and scope height. Place some cards out at five yard intervals from 10 yards to whatever you,re likely to shoot at and take a note of where the pellets strike. As you know, I use only .177 which with a 28 yard zero allows me to aim dead on at ranges between 12 and 35 yards. Feed all the relative information into Chairgun and you,ll have a better idea of what i,m babbling on about.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 30, 2018, 05:02:47 PM
Hi, Baggy.

Thanks for that, it confirms my understanding up to this point.

But, what my mind was/Is having trouble with is "What if the pellet climbs to a secondary zero at 25 yards? How would you adjust the scope to pull that back to 10 yards and a primary zero at 25?"

If your primary zero is 25 yards you'd be holding over for all distances up to that point,  yes?

And the chances are that the hold over wouldn't be large because the upward trajectory of the pellet wouldn't be steep, yes?

I tried drawing the arcs and sight lines and working out how one would correct it and got stumped.

My thinking was that if you want to pull your primary zero closer you'd have to dial the vertical turret DOWN. But I wondered if it would it require lots of change to correct a primary zero of 75 yards (or whatever it would be) and a secondary zero at 25 yards.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Baggawind on August 30, 2018, 07:46:27 PM
Mate, there,s only two " zeroes " , a primary - the furthest POI and the secondary the closest POI which in your case will be roughly 10 yards. Between those points the pellet will rise then drop back down to the primary or main POI. Which means the pellet will strike high between those two POI,s. Your primary zero is 25yards therefor you must aim slightly low at anything closer than 25 yards. Anything beyond 25 or below 10 will require you to aim slightly high. Simply zero your rifle at say, 25 yards then , using target cards placed at 5 yard intervals down to say, 8 yards , fire shots at a mark placed in the centre of each card and you,ll notice the pellet climb and fall. Like I said , feed all the relevant info into Chairgun and you will see what i,m trying to explain. The further the primary zero the more loopy the trajectory becomes , especially with a .22.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 30, 2018, 07:56:35 PM
Yes, I've fed my figures into ChairGun (nice piece of software) and I can see the lines and trajectories I would expect.

But are you saying that it isn't possible to have a secondary zero of 25 yards?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on August 31, 2018, 08:25:38 AM
I think I've got it!

It's because the trajectory of the pellet is an arc and 25yards is on one side of its "zenith" and 10yards on the other.

As one dials the vertical alignment of the scope the sight line through the arc may change where they intercept and they two points may eventually touch (infinitely close to each other) or the primary may drop out of range (infinitely far from each other) but they can't cross over each other.

And now I've thought about it a little and I'm beginning to doubt myself again.
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 01, 2018, 02:24:02 PM
I think I get what your asking Blerky...........

The way to check is to put targets out at various ranges to test the pellet arc, plus the primary and secondary zeros. Doing that with then confirm/disprove the questions/doubts in your mind.

Here's another curve ball to consider.....

It is possible to set the scope/rifle/pellet combo up so the 'apogee' (the very peak of the pellet's arc) is the zero at your chosen range. If you did that, then you'd never have to aim low no matter what the range, as the pellet will never rise about the crosshair's horizontal plane.

Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 03, 2018, 01:13:37 PM
I think I get what your asking Blerky...........

The way to check is to put targets out at various ranges to test the pellet arc, plus the primary and secondary zeros. Doing that with then confirm/disprove the questions/doubts in your mind.

Yes, I understand that and see the sense in the practical results of the test. Totally.

Here's another curve ball to consider.....

It is possible to set the scope/rifle/pellet combo up so the 'apogee' (the very peak of the pellet's arc) is the zero at your chosen range. If you did that, then you'd never have to aim low no matter what the range, as the pellet will never rise about the crosshair's horizontal plane.

Ah! I think this might be the answer to why I'm having trouble with getting this into my brain. What you say makes sense.

Sooooooo .................. if a scope had been set up to hit the zero at the apogee of the arc (i.e. BOTH primary AND secondary zeros are at the same point) how would you split them? Would you dial the scope's POI up or down? Or would it be EITHER?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 03, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
I've just had a think and drawn it on paper and the answer is "down", yes?

Down ............. because you're lowering the line of sight to cross the arc.

But I think that's going to push the primary zero away.

So how would it stay at 25yards (say) and PULL the secondary zero towards you? Surely you wouldn't have to fiddle with mounts.

Damn! I'm beginning to think that I've still not understood it!
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: Gambo on September 04, 2018, 11:36:31 PM
if a scope had been set up to hit the zero at the apogee of the arc (i.e. BOTH primary AND secondary zeros are at the same point) how would you split them?

You wouldn't/couldn't split them....coz they'd both be at the same point.



With regard to your other question............

Surely you wouldn't have to fiddle with mounts.

The pellet's trajectory arc will be the same every shot (if the same pellets and power is used)....so the only way to get the primary and secondary zeros to change (apart from zeroing at a different range)......is to alter the height of the scope in relation to the barrel, ie, put the scope in lower or higher mounts (depending on what you want to achieve). Doing this will then get a different aspect/view of the pellet's flight curve.

Make sense Blerkster? ???
Title: Re: Blerk's Progress
Post by: IceBlerk on September 05, 2018, 01:54:45 PM
Make sense Blerkster? ???

I think I have it sorted out in my head again.

I've drawn lines of sight, trajectories and "horizons" and finally I think I realise that you can't push the secondary zero beyond the apogee of the pellet's path.

When one thinks about it it's almost .................. simples!