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Trading Area => Trading Area Rules => Topic started by: kimh on January 03, 2012, 07:27:38 PM

Title: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: kimh on January 03, 2012, 07:27:38 PM
we can't the forum hasn't been going that long...
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on January 03, 2012, 07:46:00 PM
We realise our forum rules do not currently allow anyone to use the 'For Sale' sections yet (as no-one has cleared their 30 day membership requirements), but the reason the sections are visible is so people can at least see there will be a usable sales section available on the Planet soon.

The 30/30 rule we are implementing was VERY popular with members of the AGU, as it helped people to get a feel for other people before choosing to enter in a deal/contract with someone.

It must have worked, as it deterred those who would only join a forum just to milk free advertising of their stuff in the sales sections, and we therefore had an excellent record of deals being competed without incident.

When the admin on the AGU chose to remove the 30/30 rule, it was detrimental to the membership, and the forum, as we then had a raft of scammers join in an attempt to rip people off through use of the Sales section.

As we on the Planet don't want to see our members scammed, ripped off, or out of pocket, we have choosen to apply the same rules which have been proven to be both popular and effective in the past.

Hope that explains things satisfactorily kimh.  ;)

atvb, Gareth.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Tallerhauzen on January 03, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
its a good rule
This isnt the usuals BBS forum
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: sme4969 on January 03, 2012, 11:56:23 PM
i agree with gareth about the 30/30 rule agu did do well on the no scam front until the rule was removed then all and sundry joined just to sell and scam :( if you think that you may miss out on something some people sell on other forums that you maybe member of ;) i look at it this way if something is ment for you then you will end up finding it ;) :) i laugh at people at car boots running round like they might miss out on someate :( if your ment to have it it will still be there when you get there ;):) i was at one when i saw this guy walking round like he had a flea up his harris i see him at a stall 10 mins later that i stopped at and he was hagling about a price so i let it go for a while then seen he was humming and haing i said to the seller i'll give you the 5 for it sold to me ;) i now got a 60+ socket set ;):):)
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: PontysPikey on January 04, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
I think it's a fair rule, personally I wouldn't send any money to anyone with a low post count anyway but at least this way stops people joining purely to offload something which I have seen on other forums in the past.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: kimh on January 04, 2012, 01:21:27 PM
I agree with the 30/30 rule, but the sales section should have not been advertised, it should of said that in  30 days from the inauguration of this forum there will be a full classified section available...

doctrine of frustration
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on January 04, 2012, 01:49:47 PM
But just think how good it will feel when you can use it kimh?

It'll be just like eventually getting to snogging that Girl you have lusted after for ages................well, sort of!!!!
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: kimh on January 04, 2012, 02:10:06 PM
I ready baby...

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwNyxG-K1spt1Zgx54xdjpsyQzzfOwQBZaODi2cLKeeIHP4aJZkJwDIuVG)

come and get it
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on January 04, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
YUK!!!!  :-\
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: TaffyGun on January 04, 2012, 02:17:24 PM
Just to clarify - not all AGU Admin were behind the removal of the 30/30 rule.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Airgunner on January 04, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
Just to clarify - not all AGU Admin were behind the removal of the 30/30 rule.

Like most of the mods too
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: sme4969 on January 04, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
at least on this forum we the members will get asked our oppinions on matters arising ;) :)
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on January 04, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
So you hope!!!!!!  :P :P :P  ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: sme4969 on January 05, 2012, 12:07:41 AM
So you hope!!!!!!  :P :P :P  ::) ;) :D
no weather you like it or not we will have our say on our forum  :P :P :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: top on January 05, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Hi my name is paul and ive just joined this forum and im also a member of DOC and BBS and i sold a rifle to a bloke who after 2 weeks of getting the rifle desided that there was something wrong with it he tried slatting me on the 2 forums i have mentioned and he even emailed my partner,he put the hole conversation up for everyone to read,to cut a long story short he tried stitching me up as PETE.M and some other members know so its not always the seller you have to worry about its the buyer as well.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on January 05, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
A very fair point, top.

Having the 30/30 rule in place, will allow BOTH parties to get a better idea/feel for who they are dealing with.

I personally (and so do a LOT of other people) think that the 'inconvenience' of having to fulfil the 30/30 requirements are far outweighed by the security and benefit it brings.

I'm sorry to hear of the grief and hassle you have gone through top, but I hope (and believe) that repartitions of sales situations turning sour, like you have sadly experienced, will be kept to an absolute minimum on 'The Planet'.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: kimh on January 05, 2012, 05:23:00 PM
the 0/30 isn't the issue

by offering a service 'TRADING AREA'
that can't be fulfilled by it's own ruling is in breech of it's own ruling 'SALES'
by displaying via enticement 'to sell' and to break a rule... no one has been on for 30 days, the forum isn't that old

that's in compliant

my point was that the section should be removed until after 30 day's
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: eddy on January 16, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
A very fair point, top.

Having the 30/30 rule in place, will allow BOTH parties to get a better idea/feel for who they are dealing with.

I personally (and so do a LOT of other people) think that the 'inconvenience' of having to fulfil the 30/30 requirements are far outweighed by the security and benefit it brings.

I'm sorry to hear of the grief and hassle you have gone through top, but I hope (and believe) that repartitions of sales situations turning sour, like you have sadly experienced, will be kept to an absolute minimum on 'The Planet'.

don't take this the wrong gents....i can see why the 30/30 is in place,but....please don't think just because somebody has hundreds of post's that you're 100% safe in any deal.
if a seller wants to get rid of an item that is'nt working as it should they'll still try and palm it off on somebody if they are that way inclined regardless of the amount of post's they have.
that aside....i cannot stress enough if dealing by post wether buying or selling there are a couple of simple rules that may save you loseing money.
A./ do not pay for guns/silencers with paypal,if it goes tits up they won't do a thing to help you,also don't be tight and avoid 4% fees by sending as a gift,again if you 'gift' money you are not covered.
if buying a gun it's best to pay by bank transfer/cheque and ask for a receipt,posted or better emailed,at least this way you have some chance of getting your money back if it goes wrong.
everything else is fine to pay by paypal,scopes etc.
B./when sending a gun,then only royal mail standard parcels will cover any loss or damage,this service unfortunately is not tracked or a signature obtained on delivery,although it's best to check just to make sure as royal mail can and will change the conditions as and when they please.

as far as i'm aware standard parcels is the only service whereby guns can be sent within the uk,make sure you have enough insurance (optional extra on sp)
everything else i would send via 1st class signed for or rmsd,this however dose'nt guarantee it will reach it's destination,(in fact if a rmsd parcel crosses the hands of a light fingered postie it's more likely to go missing),but it does mean you are covered to make a claim.
insist on the same rules when people are posting parcels to you.

upto date i have very recently had a scope go missing within 6 hrs of being sent by rmsd....i have had a parcel put through a buyers door without the postie obtaining a signature as he should have,i have also had the 'attempted' delivery card through the door scenario....only they did'nt leave the card so i had no idea they'd even tried,it only came to light when the seller checked his tracking number and asked if i had picked the parcel up!
and a scope that was posted to me has'nt arrived,the seller has imo ignored my requests as to which service he used,i'm now starting to get a bit....uncertain lets say.

and the golden rule....if a bargain price seem's to good to be true....then it's possibly a scam!  ;)
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: mrd1995 on January 16, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
A very fair point, top.

Having the 30/30 rule in place, will allow BOTH parties to get a better idea/feel for who they are dealing with.

I personally (and so do a LOT of other people) think that the 'inconvenience' of having to fulfil the 30/30 requirements are far outweighed by the security and benefit it brings.

I'm sorry to hear of the grief and hassle you have gone through top, but I hope (and believe) that repartitions of sales situations turning sour, like you have sadly experienced, will be kept to an absolute minimum on 'The Planet'.
and the golden rule....if a bargain price seem's to good to be true....then it's possibly a scam!  ;)

How about a Falcon FN 12 PCP including case, sound moderator, scope, filling adaptor and two tins of pellets for 100 !!!! Saying that though....im just loved :P :P :P (all paid for by my older brother too >:D)

Anyway back to the topic. the 30/30 rule is not the only thing that helps prevent scams. Every time you post or log in your IP address gets logged. so if youre well known for scamming or have only scammed once or twice whether it be on a forum or auction site such as ebay your IP would of been flagged. And of couse if the scammer came here then and tried to sell somethiing to someone their accound would be deleted. I remember seeing this on the old forum Air Gun Universe. (it was actually Gambo that caught him :D) Any sites such as ebay amazon that have witnessed people scam or have had scam reports filed WILL have their IP address logged. Its just a matter of the Admin checking.

The only way of avoiding this would be to manually change your IP address which is incredibly difficult. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Ieazo on January 16, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
It's not that difficult to release your IP and be assigned a new one if you know what your doing, it is however harder to mask your host name though I believe there are ways around this too. That said we will be keeping a close eye on the trading over this forum but it is impossible to catch everyone all of the time so common sense and vigilance should be excercised at all times.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: anightrains on January 18, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
im a member of most airgun sites,
 never sold or made a purchase but i do like to study whats on offer
in the sales just incase a bargain crops up but there is only so much to keep out the scumbags
i always think a point system for sellers would be a benefit once up and running so people who do sell could be
known as good or bad dealers
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: sme4969 on January 18, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
when the agu was running we had a name and shame page ;) for shops,people and what everelse ;) ie:if you had bad experience with a shop, but that being said, please keep in mind that these post get read and can lead to problems if someone cuts your post and post it else where, so be careful to what you write ;):)
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Nazgul on April 08, 2012, 11:36:06 AM
Does the 30/30 Rule apply to placing a Tread in the "WANTED SECTION" please ?

Thanks,  :)

Naz.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Gambo on April 08, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
Does the 30/30 Rule apply to placing a Tread in the "WANTED SECTION" please ?

No, it doesn't.

As you (the poster) is not requesting money out of wanting something, it was felt to be unfair for a member to have to wait 30 days to ask for a spare part for their gun for instance, with no guarantee of one being offered.

The 30/30 rule applies to those wanting to sell something, for the gain of monies.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Nazgul on April 08, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Does the 30/30 Rule apply to placing a Tread in the "WANTED SECTION" please ?

No, it doesn't.

As you (the poster) is not requesting money out of wanting something, it was felt to be unfair for a member to have to wait 30 days to ask for a spare part for their gun for instance, with no guarantee of one being offered.

The 30/30 rule applies to those wanting to sell something, for the gain of monies.

Thanks !

Naz.
Title: Re: for those who have been members for over 30 days
Post by: Airsporterman on April 13, 2012, 07:25:34 PM

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwNyxG-K1spt1Zgx54xdjpsyQzzfOwQBZaODi2cLKeeIHP4aJZkJwDIuVG)


Hey Kimh, that's the best M.J. (Rolling Stones) impression I have seen in a while.  ;D
As for 30/30 rule, all seems perfectly sensible and reasonable to me.

Airsporterman